Archos 80 G9 Root help

[CAD4MEN]

I've had my tablet for 1 year now, been quite satisfied with it, had none of the charging issues that have been noted, so I'm quite happy.
With that said, the system seems to be a bit slow, I'm interested in moving apps to my 16gb HD card and believe the only way I can do this is to root the device.
Is that correct? And will I need the SDK to perform this task. I have ADB installed on my netbook and am somewhat familiar with Linux.
I am currently on Firmware 4.0.28 (Android 4.04)

I read at one point that there are already rooted versions of the rom that can be download and installed to the device. Is that correct?

Can this 80G9 be overclocked and is it worth the effort?

Thanks in advance,
Have a great Sunday!

Jerry

[MineFacer]

Do you have turbo version?
Turbo version can be overclocked but i dont know about normal 80 g9

[Nigel]

the system seems to be a bit slow, I'm interested in moving apps to my 16gb HD card

this seems a non-sequitur, moving stuff to the microSD card won't speed things up. The problem is, you upgraded beyond 4.0.7, so every time you turn on the screen LOTS of apps will start in the background. Get in the habit of starting the System Monitor application every time you start using the device, and shutting down all those pesky tasks. Better still, consider uninstalling or disabling the apps if you do not use them.

If you want to root yourself, see mls's post about downgrading to an earlier version of the firmware.

[mls]

I've had my tablet for 1 year now, been quite satisfied with it, had none of the charging issues that have been noted, so I'm quite happy.

If it works and you are happy with it then LEAVE IT ALONE!!!

With that said, the system seems to be a bit slow, I'm interested in moving apps to my 16gb HD card and believe the only way I can do this is to root the device.

To the best of my knowledge, you can NOT move apps to the SD card ever since Android Honeycomb (Android 3.x). And, you sure as heck can NOT do it at all with an Archos G9 tablet (even if you do root it)!!!

I am currently on Firmware 4.0.28 (Android 4.04)

And you're happy with that horrible garbage crap firmware? Sheeze, I sure can NOT tolerate any of the 4.0.2x firmware. Guess you don't do much if you can be happy with that CRAP.

I read at one point that there are already rooted versions of the rom that can be download and installed to the device. Is that correct?

Yes, there are several 'rooted' firmwares available, but very few of them are worth the effort (other than to get back to a 'rooted' stock version of 4.0.7 or lower to get away from the CRAPPY 4.0.2x firmware releases).

Can this 80G9 be overclocked and is it worth the effort?

Yes, there are a few 'rooted' firmwares that will allow you to 'overclock', but it's really not worth it. In fact, I consider 'overclocking' as just plain idiotic and stupid. The VERY SMALL increase in performance (if any) just ends up overheating (and thereby shortening the life of) the CPU and running down the battery down faster.

Not to mention that you can only 'overclock' by only a couple hundred MHz to start with (or else things start failing). I have an 80 G9 1GHz and an 80 G9 Turbo 1.5GHz, and in most normal usage (even with a 500MHz speed difference) it's BARELY noticeable! Sure, at times the Turbo one does seem a bit more snappy, but NOT enough that I'd ever want to risk overclocking my 1GHz tablet (just NOT enough difference to make it worth the risk of trashing it).

[mls]

this seems a non-sequitur, moving stuff to the microSD card won't speed things up. The problem is, you upgraded beyond 4.0.7, so every time you turn on the screen LOTS of apps will start in the background. Get in the habit of starting the System Monitor application every time you start using the device, and shutting down all those pesky tasks. Better still, consider uninstalling or disabling the apps if you do not use them.

Just to clear a few things up for you in future posts Nigel...

As mentioned in my other post, to the best of knowledge apps simply can NOT be moved to the SD card in ANY version of Android from Honeycomb on up. The older Froyo (and Gingerbread) versions of Android did allow doing that, but Google took that option/feature out with Honeycomb (which was ONLY for tablets by the way), and it (to my knowledge) is not even an option on any newer smartphone with ICS. [Side Note: My understanding is that do to the 'multi-user' functionality in future Android versions that NEITHER external SD card or USB storage devices will work. So, be happy they do work at all on an Archos G9.]

So, for future reference, moving apps to SD simply can NOT be done on an Archos G9 (with either stock or rooted firmware)!!!

As far as 'speeding things up' goes, there are plenty of things about how to do that with a Google search about Android devices. The MAIN one, of course, is to simply NOT use widgets (or any app) that constantly needs to be accessing the Internet.

The second thing is to simply find which apps always keep starting up in the background unnecessarily and uninstall them. There are way too many crappy apps out there doing that. Complain to the app developer and tell them to quit doing it!!!

In general, do NOT go into System Monitor (or use any kind of 'app killer') to kill things unless you know what you are doing! Many things will just automatically re-start themselves anyway. Constantly trying to kill something that restarts will only (eventually) lead to messing up the system. Except for some really bad apps, Android is supposed to handle all of that memory shuffling on it's own (well, at least up until the CRAPPY Archos 4.0.2x firmware versions anyway).

If you want to root yourself, see mls's post about downgrading to an earlier version of the firmware.

Thanks for the point to my effort and in a way I'm glad you did not provide a direct link to it because...

Far to many people seem to think that they simply need to root every Android device they own. I think that's just pure stupid idiotic pier pressure (or someone that simply wants to brag about having done it). There really are only 2 reasons to ever even consider 'rooting' a device and they are:

1) When the manufacturer releases a CRAPPY firmware upgrade and DOES NOT ALLOW ANY OTHER WAY to get back to a previously known functioning firmware version (idiots at Archos SHOULD have provided a way, but they seem to be to stupid to do so).

2) When the manufacturer clutters up a device with their own user interface or extra apps (that can not be uninstalled by the user) that the user simply does not need/want to start with. Far too many smartphone makers combined with cellphone service providers do that just to make THEIR device appear to be different from the others... but, yet it's still Android under the hood. So why not let it be PURE Android instead of confusing everyone with other crap they don't want/need or even care about? People can always add whatever else THEY THEMSELVES WANT later.

That's the really nice thing that Archos did (at first) with the G9 tablets. They gave us a pure (even if done somewhat weird) Android experience without all the other crap most other companies forced on people. All Archos did (at least in the beginning) was to simply add in their own MediaCenter apps (Video and Music). Unfortunately, they totally ruined a good thing with trying to do things with MediaCenter that were NOT needed, and also trying to work up into Android Jelly Bean that everyone seemed to keep begging for (not me, simply didn't see the point or logic to ever try to make Jelly Bean work on an Archos G9... didn't want it then, still don't want it now on ANY Android device).

Archos HAD A CHANCE at being a real iPad killer with the G9, but they totally screwed things up with constantly changing hardware and being unable to provide firmware that worked with all of them. Sadly, they continue to be doing the same with ALL of their newer products.

[Cyberpunk]

Whoever writes Archos firmware is on crack. A crack addict. Smokes crack while writing firmware. 'Aint it cool?

[the_leander]

this seems a non-sequitur, moving stuff to the microSD card won't speed things up. The problem is, you upgraded beyond 4.0.7, so every time you turn on the screen LOTS of apps will start in the background. Get in the habit of starting the System Monitor application every time you start using the device, and shutting down all those pesky tasks. Better still, consider uninstalling or disabling the apps if you do not use them.

Just to clear a few things up for you in future posts Nigel...

As mentioned in my other post, to the best of knowledge apps simply can NOT be moved to the SD card in ANY version of Android from Honeycomb on up. The older Froyo (and Gingerbread) versions of Android did allow doing that, but Google took that option/feature out with Honeycomb (which was ONLY for tablets by the way), and it (to my knowledge) is not even an option on any newer smartphone with ICS. [Side Note: My understanding is that do to the 'multi-user' functionality in future Android versions that NEITHER external SD card or USB storage devices will work. So, be happy they do work at all on an Archos G9.]

Actually you can, if the manufacturer allows it. Honeycomb, ICS and JB all have a virtualized file system, which can be set to use other, external storage as the default block device. From the app's perspective it makes no difference where the block device is located, it'll be run from wherever. On older apps it'll show up as movable under app2sd. Source: Huawei Ascend G300 using a 16gb sdcard as its primary storage.

As far as multi user goes, unless the android fork of the Linux kernel fundamentally broke POSIX compliance and filesystem support sdcards will be handled the same way they are on desktops - with a separate user home directory per user.

So, for future reference, moving apps to SD simply can NOT be done on an Archos G9 (with either stock or rooted firmware)!!!

Err, yes you can, if you have a rooted device and aren't afraid to start messing with androids guts and where it mounts its drives. Its neither pretty nor clean however

Failing that, link2sd may well work, though again not sure how clean of a solution it is.

Archos HAD A CHANCE at being a real iPad killer with the G9,

Hahaha oh wait, you're serious?!

but they totally screwed things up with constantly changing hardware and being unable to provide firmware that worked with all of them. Sadly, they continue to be doing the same with ALL of their newer products.

And look at how it's bitten them: the G9, even as late as it was, sold well and was widely available in shops in the UK. Now no one will touch them and the G10 is nowhere to be seen.

[mls]

@the_lender

The Huawei Ascend G300 is an Android smartphone, IT IS NOT A TABLET! Android tablets do not work the same way as smartphones do. Far too many people keep confusing the 'move to sdcard' functionality between them.

On tablets, the internal Flash memory is considered the SDCARD, while any sdcard slot (if the tablet has one) is considered as an EXTERNAL SDCARD. Although there has been some work over on xda-developers to try and move apps to an external sdcard it has never worked very well (even for what little they could manage to do with rooted firmware).

I have a NextBook 7 with Android 4.0.4 that is set up very much like a phone instead of the totally altered way Archos set up things on their G9 tablets. For apps storage it has a section a bit over 400MB. In Settings it does have an option (like a phone) to move apps to the SDCARD, but all that does is move part of the app from the normal TABLET app space to the SDCARD section of the internal Flash memory. It does NOT (and can not) move an app to any EXTERNAL SDCARD plugged into its sdcard slot (which would be foolish anyway for any device with an open exposed sdcard that could be accidentally removed).

As such, it only frees up a bit more space of the original app storage space to allow room to install a few more apps. However, since some part of the app must still remain in that original are (basic stuff including a pointer to where the app was moved too)... well, there still is a limit to how many apps can ever be installed.

The Archos G9 was not set up that way and therefor did not have that limitation on app storage space (except for the Archos 250G HDD models, but those were meant to be used for large amounts of music and video not really for installing apps).

As for the 'multi-user' stuff in the newer versions of Android even the CEO of Google has already stated that sdcards are going to be a real problem. In case you haven't noticed, Google's own flagship tablets (Nexus 7 and Nexus 10) do NOT even have external sdcard slots. And, since Google really wants everyone to start using their 'cloud storage' for everything anyway... well, it's very unlikely that any future Android devices (including phones) will even have sdcard slots anymore. Odds are that even being able to use a USB host (or OTG) cable will also end up being dropped.

Anyway, don't confuse how smartphones (at the moment) may still work with how tablets work. Eventually Google will get Android to work the same on both, but unfortunately that very likely also means there will no longer be any sdcard or USB host drive features (unless some manufacturer decides to do things Google really don't want anymore).

[mls]

Archos HAD A CHANCE at being a real iPad killer with the G9,

Hahaha oh wait, you're serious?!

Yes, I am very serious about that! With decent firmware an Archos G9 would have made Apple's iPad seem like old outdated junk. Sure the Archos G9 does not have the fancy expensive look or feel of an iPad and does not have as good of screen quality as Apples 'retina' display, but those things are really not of any importance to start with for any really normal usage.

And, of course, the Archos G9 would never have the speed or performance of an iPad, but the only reason Apple wins on that part is because Apples iOS is not a multi-tasking OS. Any device that does only one thing at a time is always going to appear to operate faster.

Unfortunately, instead of improving the firmware for the G9 tablets Archos decided they could sell more of their newer devices if they got everyone to install their crappy 4.0.2x firmware and totally ruin all the goodness of all of the G9 devices. And, if you look around, their newer devices do not work very well either. Now nobody even wants anything from Archos anymore.

Meanwhile, I must say the NextBook 7 I just bought for only $68 (on sale at Walmart) is really rather amazing. Doens't have GPS or Bluetooth, and I won't say it's 100% perfect either, but for a single core 1GHz CPU device it actually works far better than I had expected. Too bad Archos didn't keep their brains together to bring their G9 device up to that kind of 'low cost' level of goodness.

[the_leander]

@the_lender

The Huawei Ascend G300 is an Android smartphone, IT IS NOT A TABLET! Android tablets do not work the same way as smartphones do. Far too many people keep confusing the 'move to sdcard' functionality between them.

Yes, it does. It runs android 4.0.3. The last time there existed in a separation of tablet and phone codebase was honeycomb. ICS big selling point was that the codebase and APIs were merged.

It doesn't have move to sdcard functionality in the traditional 2.3 sense, it can set an external sdcard as primary storage.

On tablets, the internal Flash memory is considered the SDCARD, while any sdcard slot (if the tablet has one) is considered as an EXTERNAL SDCARD. Although there has been some work over on xda-developers to try and move apps to an external sdcard it has never worked very well (even for what little they could manage to do with rooted firmware).

Again, no different than how the huawei does it, you can however switch the default storage.

There is no reason beyond the avarice of the manufacturer to disallow the option.

As for the 'multi-user' stuff in the newer versions of Android even the CEO of Google has already stated that sdcards are going to be a real problem. In case you haven't noticed, Google's own flagship tablets (Nexus 7 and Nexus 10) do NOT even have external sdcard slots. And, since Google really wants everyone to start using their 'cloud storage' for everything anyway... well, it's very unlikely that any future Android devices (including phones) will even have sdcard slots anymore. Odds are that even being able to use a USB host (or OTG) cable will also end up being dropped.

As a Linux user for 15 years I can flat out state no such issue exists in the codebase. If he's concerned about keeping separation of user folders in the sdcard all he'd have to do is force ext3/4 formatting of the sdcard/external HD. The tools are all already present and partially already in using.

[mls]

It doesn't have move to sdcard functionality in the traditional 2.3 sense, it can set an external sdcard as primary storage.
...
Again, no different than how the huawei does it, you can however switch the default storage.
....
As a Linux user for 15 years...

Since you appear to believe you know more about how things work than anybody else... I would highly recommend that you go over to the Archos Gen9 sections of the xda-developer website and inform them how to accomplish things that they have NOT been able to do with 2 years of trying themselves.

I look forward to reading how you solve all the problems that they have been unable to!

[the_leander]

It doesn't have move to sdcard functionality in the traditional 2.3 sense, it can set an external sdcard as primary storage.
...
Again, no different than how the huawei does it, you can however switch the default storage.
....
As a Linux user for 15 years...

Since you appear to believe you know more about how things work than anybody else... I would highly recommend that you go over to the Archos Gen9 sections of the xda-developer website and inform them how to accomplish things that they have NOT been able to do with 2 years of trying themselves.

I look forward to reading how you solve all the problems that they have been unable to!

Settings > storage default storage location (options in popup listing: Internal Storage, SD Card) internal storage in the G300 is 2gb, of which ~750mb is reserved for apps. Currently set to use the SD card as default storage I have a little over 2.4gb of apps installed on it.

It may be this functionality has since been depreciated in later versions of ICS or that its a Huawei specific mod (unlikely). But regardless it works flawlessly. As to removing removing SD Cards completely, I'd put money on many manufacturers desiring such, but its unlikely to happen in such a crowded market - having the ability to double your phone/tablets storage capacity for peanuts verses paying maybe 33% more for the next storage bump up would for them be great for their bottom line, but would risk being undercut by any number of others running near identical hardware that included the port.

As far as different users/profiles goes, anyone who has a even a basic understanding of file system permissions in *nix based systems would be familiar with what I said. The tools are already there, they're mature and they work well, even with removable media. The only question is how Google intend to expose this functionality to the user in such a way as to not scare the pants off of them. Done well it opens the doors to some really cool possibilities, done badly it'll alienate users and leave android in a very precarious position, this is Google's NT moment.

As to the efforts of the Archos team, I suspect that this is a very low priority, because thanks to the "unique" way the G9 is formatted, most of their efforts have been limited to getting something, anything working on the device beyond pure rooted stock. From what I've seen, the number of devs dealing with Archos is small and their successes not great - hardware acceleration and 3d support are still not available on CM ports for the g9 at least as recently as 2 months ago.

[mls]

Settings > storage default storage location (options in popup listing: Internal Storage, SD Card) internal storage in the G300 is 2gb, of which ~750mb is reserved for apps. Currently set to use the SD card as default storage I have a little over 2.4gb of apps installed on it.

I can not say I'm all that impressed, nor do I understand why you think that would even be impressive to anyone that owns an Archos G9. One of my Archos 80 G9 8GB tablets has 4GB of apps installed. Didn't need to be 'rooted' or use an external sdcard for that either. Not to mention that just about all newer devices this year pretty much already come with at least 16GB now.

It may be this functionality has since been depreciated in later versions of ICS or that its a Huawei specific mod (unlikely). But regardless it works flawlessly. As to removing removing SD Cards completely, I'd put money on many manufacturers desiring such, but its unlikely to happen in such a crowded market - having the ability to double your phone/tablets storage capacity for peanuts verses paying maybe 33% more for the next storage bump up would for them be great for their bottom line, but would risk being undercut by any number of others running near identical hardware that included the port.

Apparently you live in a cave somewhere and simply do not understand how things in the real world work! There is no profit motif for any company to ever allow them to expand the storage capabilities of older products. The goal now (by Apple, Google, and even Microsoft) is to push all user data to 'cloud' storage. And, after the user uses up the so-called 'free' amount of space be able to charge them for more storage space.

In other words, it's all about THEM (or other outside companies) to be able to make more money! And, the move to 'cloud' storage not only makes THEM more money, but it also makes more money for the Internet and cellular providers (both in selling newer devices and extra data bandwidth fees).

In fact, if you actually bother to look at what Google has been doing (either with their own app updates on older devices or all the crap they added into Jelly Bean on newer devices)... you'd have noticed that Google alone has about a dozen different things that want/need some kind of constant 'data' connection. That's why I don't even want any newer Android devices... I want to use my device for what I want to do, not have its CPU and Wifi/cellular connection wasting most of its time doing something THEY want it to do for somebody to make money from!

As far as different users/profiles goes, anyone who has a even a basic understanding of file system permissions in *nix based systems would be familiar with what I said. The tools are already there, they're mature and they work well, even with removable media. The only question is how Google intend to expose this functionality to the user in such a way as to not scare the pants off of them. Done well it opens the doors to some really cool possibilities, done badly it'll alienate users and leave android in a very precarious position, this is Google's NT moment.

I've worked with Linux and Windows, and I do understand the 'permissions' stuff their file systems verses the older simple FAT file system. However, you seem to forget that ALL microSD cards (at least 32GB or less) [and most USB thumb drives as well as many external USB hard drives] come pre-formatted with a FAT file system simply so that they ARE compatible with just about ever device they connect with. That makes copying files from one device to another very easy... something NO major company today wants to allow anymore!

Besides, no NORMAL person would even know how to re-format to a different file system simply to make their sdcard work in the manor you mention (much less how to work with a rooted firmware on their device to make it use it that way). Nor, would they honestly even want to do so and end up making it totally in-compatible with all their other devices.

Apparently you do not even own an Archos G9 tablet... otherwise you would already know that when you insert an sdcard that it stays sticking out a ways. It does NOT go in flush with the side of the tablet! As such, just about every time you pick up the tablet you end up accidentally pressing in on it and causing it to eject. As such, it's rather obvious the design goal was for short term sdcard usage simply to copy files to/from it and not to be left in for any kind of permanent use.

As to the efforts of the Archos team, I suspect that this is a very low priority, because thanks to the "unique" way the G9 is formatted, most of their efforts have been limited to getting something, anything working on the device beyond pure rooted stock. From what I've seen, the number of devs dealing with Archos is small and their successes not great - hardware acceleration and 3d support are still not available on CM ports for the g9 at least as recently as 2 months ago.

I have never understood WHY anyone ever wanted Jelly Bean on an Archos G9, much less why anybody wants CM on any device. There really is NOT anything any normal or average person would need/want beyond what the 'stock' Archos firmware already had (back with the Archos 4.0.7 firmware). Most of the other stuff is nothing more than fluff that really doesn't do or accomplish anything worth having/needing.

As for the lower number of devs on xda.... well, first re-read the above paragraph... then going beyond that...

There are so many idiots out their that just absolutely have to have Jelly Bean (which I clearly never wanted anything to do with because it doesn't actually offer anything I'd ever need)... so, several of the devs sent in their Archo G9 tablets (knowing Archos could not supply/repair any to return after Archos trashed so many with their newer firmware... especially after making some totally unbootable with their 4.0.24 firmware). As such, Archos offered them a 'deal' (for a few bucks more) to get a G10 tablet returned to them instead.

In other words, they all just jumped ship over to working on stuff for the G10 tablets now (since there really was NOTHING that anyone needed/wanted for the G9 tablets anymore anyway).

[Cyberpunk]

Archos just plain sucks now. They're all crack addicts. They have the intelligence of backwoods inbreds. They have NEVER produced an Android product that "works right out of the box". Never. Close a couple times but no cigario. And don't anybody argue with me on that. Just look at this forum the past year! Its dying. Not to mention they give 18 (ok, so I exaggerate) Android and non-Android tablets the same exact name and model number and letters? And all with different components and different versions of Android? Who the frak does that? Who? What complete inbred would do such a thing? Some kind of marketing genius strategy I'm not aware of? My ancient 5it's still work good though! Donut and all.

[mls]

Archos just plain sucks now. They're all crack addicts. They have the intelligence of backwoods inbreds. They have NEVER produced an Android product that "works right out of the box". Never. Close a couple times but no cigario. And don't anybody argue with me on that. Just look at this forum the past year! Its dying. Not to mention they give 18 (ok, so I exaggerate) Android and non-Android tablets the same exact name and model number and letters? And all with different components and different versions of Android? Who the frak does that? Who? What complete inbred would do such a thing? Some kind of marketing genius strategy I'm not aware of? My ancient 5it's still work good though! Donut and all.

I will not argue over the (now well known fact) that Archos now totally sucks! I have no idea WHY they went completely insane, but unfortunately far too many other companies actually ARE doing stupid and idiotic things in an effort to get people to move on and buy their newer products. And, it really does not help much when all of the major players (Apple, Google, Microsoft, plus the manufacturers Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) are also actually even pushing for such idiotic changes.

As for "who" does stupid things like making changes to hardware and still selling something with the same model number... hmm... Apple does (has used and still does use different hardware from different sources in same model devices). So do many of the other so-called "major" companies. That is NOTHING NEW at all really when you get down to it. Heck, I've got a Sansa MP3 player that was sold with the exact same model number, but yet there is firmware for it that requires knowing if it was an F1 or an F2 version.

The key there is that they at least produced DIFFERENT FIRMWARE to go along with the different hardware they used in each device. And, that is where Archos royally screwed up bigtime!!! They did not bother to keep track of what hardware was used from multiple manufacturing sources of their G9 tablets... and, then later no longer seemed to even have the programmers that actually knew what was what anymore!

Now, Archos sells at least a dozen different newer devices, and as you have noticed, NONE of which work correctly. They were so close with getting the G9 tablets up to nearly perfect... and then they just basically said "screw all of you G9 owners, we're selling something else now".

And, for some reason that I can not understand, it would seem that just about everyone just went along and ran out to buy one or another of those newer pieces of crap (apparently just because they absolutely just had to have Jelly Bean... something I NEVER WANTED and still do NOT WANT... I've pretty much LOST ALL INTEREST IN ANDROID now that I've seen what Google is trying to turn things into).

[mls]

@the leander

And for anyone else that is insane with crazy ideas of what they can do with a 'rooted' G9...

I will admit that there are some other crazy people out that that do try such things, but I must also say that you really would need some REAL EXTENSIVE UNDERSTANDING of not only Linux, but also how a G9 (or any other tablet) is actually set up. And, as I've tried to point out before, Android for tablets is NOT THE SAME as it was for smartphones (far too many cheap knock-off tablets are incorrectly set up as if they were a smartphone instead of correctly set up as a tablet).

Anyway, for those that want to trash.... ah, I mean try to do something idiot.... ah, I mean for those that have way more knowledge than any of us NORMAL people I offer these links:

Symlinks on 101 G9.

Link2SD working on Archos 80 G9

Good luck with getting any of that stuff working on YOUR device la, la, hah, hah, LOL. Apparently the world is full of idiots and morons that simply can not deal with things as they are designed/meant to work.

When you totally trash your G9 and it doesn't work at all anymore... well, DO NOT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU about doing something totally stupid and idiot!!!

[rohinsadh]

I have 80G9 Tourbo 250GB HDD model. Latest Stock ICS ROM, very unstable keeps crashing, does not go into deep sleep, switches on it own & drains the battery, other music players like winamp, poweramp, etc unable to play music proporly as the music stutters/skips every time it accesses HDD for music mp3 data.
Is there is rooted ROM which is stable, resolves all these issues? I dont mind rooting if it will help with these issues...
Thanx, R.

[the_leander]

Settings > storage default storage location (options in popup listing: Internal Storage, SD Card) internal storage in the G300 is 2gb, of which ~750mb is reserved for apps. Currently set to use the SD card as default storage I have a little over 2.4gb of apps installed on it.

I can not say I'm all that impressed, nor do I understand why you think that would even be impressive to anyone that owns an Archos G9. One of my Archos 80 G9 8GB tablets has 4GB of apps installed. Didn't need to be 'rooted' or use an external sdcard for that either. Not to mention that just about all newer devices this year pretty much already come with at least 16GB now.

Not impressed by having 3x the amount of apps installed on it that it could do by default... No pleasing some people I suppose. As to why, the point was that this device runs ICS (4.0.3) and is capable of installing apps to SD... But again, never mind.

It may be this functionality has since been depreciated in later versions of ICS or that its a Huawei specific mod (unlikely). But regardless it works flawlessly. As to removing removing SD Cards completely, I'd put money on many manufacturers desiring such, but its unlikely to happen in such a crowded market - having the ability to double your phone/tablets storage capacity for peanuts verses paying maybe 33% more for the next storage bump up would for them be great for their bottom line, but would risk being undercut by any number of others running near identical hardware that included the port.

Apparently you live in a cave somewhere and simply do not understand how things in the real world work! There is no profit motif for any company to ever allow them to expand the storage capabilities of older products. The goal now (by Apple, Google, and even Microsoft) is to push all user data to 'cloud' storage. And, after the user uses up the so-called 'free' amount of space be able to charge them for more storage space.

Hahaha! And this is why with the exception of the nexus line, all current phones and tablets have sdcard slots.. And thanks to all the stuff about NSA spying, the cloud is finished.

As far as different users/profiles goes, anyone who has a even a basic understanding of file system permissions in *nix based systems would be familiar with what I said. The tools are already there, they're mature and they work well, even with removable media. The only question is how Google intend to expose this functionality to the user in such a way as to not scare the pants off of them. Done well it opens the doors to some really cool possibilities, done badly it'll alienate users and leave android in a very precarious position, this is Google's NT moment.

I've worked with Linux and Windows, and I do understand the 'permissions' stuff their file systems verses the older simple FAT file system. However, you seem to forget that ALL microSD cards (at least 32GB or less) [and most USB thumb drives as well as many external USB hard drives] come pre-formatted with a FAT file system simply so that they ARE compatible with just about ever device they connect with. That makes copying files from one device to another very easy... something NO major company today wants to allow anymore!

Simple dialog box for when an sdcard show up: "do you want to prepare this card for use with this device?" The end.
Source? That was the dialogue you got when you put an sdcard in symbian based Samsung devices. With newer devices dropping support for acting like a USB drive and switching over to a fully virtualized system handled by the device, formatting to ext4 or similar ceases to be an issue at all. Like I said, handled well this isn't an issue for even the technically inept.

Apparently you do not even own an Archos G9 tablet... otherwise you would already know that when you insert an sdcard that it stays sticking out a ways. It does NOT go in flush with the side of the tablet! As such, just about every time you pick up the tablet you end up accidentally pressing in on it and causing it to eject. As such, it's rather obvious the design goal was for short term sdcard usage simply to copy files to/from it and not to be left in for any kind of permanent use.

That you are a clumsy oaf when it comes to handling your devices is not my problem. I'm currently on my second G9 classic, which is in fact a year old today. The number of times I've removed the 16gb sdcard from the slot, deliberately or otherwise can be counted on the fingers of one hand. No problems.

I have never understood WHY anyone ever wanted Jelly Bean on an Archos G9, much less why anybody wants CM on any device. There really is NOT anything any normal or average person would need/want beyond what the 'stock' Archos firmware already had (back with the Archos 4.0.7 firmware). Most of the other stuff is nothing more than fluff that really doesn't do or accomplish anything worth having/needing.

Quickest answer: security updates. Right now, the G9 is a vulnerable device. Which is why I'm currently looking at replacing it. Probably with one of the Samsung tablets. Archos will never see another penny from me.

Snipped the rest.

@the leander

Good luck with getting any of that stuff working on YOUR device la, la, hah, hah, LOL. Apparently the world is full of idiots and morons that simply can not deal with things as they are designed/meant to work.

Yes how dare anyone want to improve things! The nerve of such people. Why next you'll be saying people are building in freestanding houses instead of caves! The fools!

[mls]

I have 80G9 Tourbo 250GB HDD model. Latest Stock ICS ROM, very unstable keeps crashing, does not go into deep sleep, switches on it own & drains the battery, other music players like winamp, poweramp, etc unable to play music proporly as the music stutters/skips every time it accesses HDD for music mp3 data.
Is there is rooted ROM which is stable, resolves all these issues? I dont mind rooting if it will help with these issues...
Thanx, R.

I'm sorry to say that I really can not be of much help in that area simply because the 250GB models have always had a bunch of problems all of there own. If you were not having those problems before with the stock Archos 4.0.7 firmware... then you may want to return to that with a 'rooted' firmware (since you can not go back to any older firmware now any other way).

However, I must point out that the 250GB hard drive tablets have very little app storage space (less than 2GB), and the 250GB hard drive is ONLY meant for storing documents/photos/music/videos. And, even they they still did seem to have problems with stuttering on music or video playback... which is why I never bought one to start with.

Now, I do kind of wish I actually would have bought one just so that I would have more knowledge about how to work around the problems those Archos tablets do have.

[mls]

Even though this thread has now gone totally off the original subject, I still find it rather AMUSING...

After all, we now have someone "with 15 years of Linux" that clearly knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. I will bow down to him since he clearly knows far more than I could ever know (with my 40+ years of electronics, 30+ years of computers and various attempts with multiple programming languages)... CLEARLY he knows far more than I ever could possibly know. So, just forget anything I say!

Not impressed by having 3x the amount of apps installed on it that it could do by default... No pleasing some people I suppose. As to why, the point was that this device runs ICS (4.0.3) and is capable of installing apps to SD... But again, never mind.

No clue what you mean... You took an old outdated cellphone and managed to make to do what an Archos G9 did right out of the box. I still don't see what that proves to anybody else here.

Hahaha! And this is why with the exception of the nexus line, all current phones and tablets have sdcard slots.. And thanks to all the stuff about NSA spying, the cloud is finished.

Again, absolutely no clue about what you are talking about. First off, NONE of the better (or major) TABLET manufactures have sdcard slots. The very few that do are NOT complying with Google rules. I really do not understand why you have so much trouble with understanding that TABLETS simply are not the same as old outdated cellphones (which will eventually in the future no longer have sdcard slots anymore either).

And, I have even less understanding how the heck you combined the investigation of NSA spying on public information with anything to do with 'cloud storage'. All of the MAJOR companies (Apple, Google, Amazon, and now Microsoft) are actually all pushing out even more new software/apps that actually now REQUIRE cloud storage. Just take a look an any of the new upgrades from Google... they all now REQUIRE more cloud usage. Unfortunately, here in America everything is controlled by 'big money' interests. And, as such, the 'corporate greed' of the stock market will NEVER be able to stop the 'cloud storage' that the big companies want to push onto us (since our Government is totally controlled by 'big money' interests).

Simple dialog box for when an sdcard show up: "do you want to prepare this card for use with this device?" The end.
Source? That was the dialogue you got when you put an sdcard in symbian based Samsung devices. With newer devices dropping support for acting like a USB drive and switching over to a fully virtualized system handled by the device, formatting to ext4 or similar ceases to be an issue at all. Like I said, handled well this isn't an issue for even the technically inept.

No, that's the stupid kind of crap one gets on a TABLET (like the Nextbook) that is INCORRECTLY set up with Android for a smartphone!

I beg to differ on the rest of the comment totally! You seem to live in a world of computer geeks, while I live in a 60 apartment building of 'average normal' people. I did a quick survey of only 30 of them and here's what I found:

1) What's an sdcard?
2) What is formatting?

In other words, what YOU consider as being capable by even 'the technically inept' is actually levels above what any NORMAL person actually even knows. (You and I are often talking about things FAR OVER AND BEYOND what most readers of this forum could ever understand... or have you forgotten that this is a USER Forum and not the XDA Developers forum?).

That you are a clumsy oaf when it comes to handling your devices is not my problem. I'm currently on my second G9 classic, which is in fact a year old today. The number of times I've removed the 16gb sdcard from the slot, deliberately or otherwise can be counted on the fingers of one hand. No problems.

Hmm, an interesting concept (that I'd never do) of leaving an sdcard always plugged into an Archos G9. Only time I EVER plug in an sdcard is to be able to transfer files to/from it that I want to transfer to/from other sources. I would NEVER leave an sdcard in a device where it sticks out that could cause it to be accidentally be ejected while in use (and the possible file corruption of that happening... even ONCE... I'm not going 'count on the fingers of one hand' about something that I simply do NOT want to ever happen even once! Meanwhile, since the sdcard does go in totally flush on my Archos 70b, well, I do leave that one in all the time... but that's a totally different device).

Quickest answer: security updates. Right now, the G9 is a vulnerable device. Which is why I'm currently looking at replacing it. Probably with one of the Samsung tablets. Archos will never see another penny from me.

Now here's something that at least I CAN at least partially agree on, but NOT the security issues.

I, like the majority of other people that have purchased Archos products in the past will NEVER buy another one! At least we do both agree on that part.

However, the 'security' part of your comment is a complete joke! There has been NO SECURITY about anything ever since way back in the 1970's... and ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY for anything/anyone if it requires a connection to the Internet. Heck, even way back BEFORE the Internet there were already many ways to find out all kinds of personal information without ever asking for it.

So, OK, Yes, I believe the Linux OS is more secure, but it is NOT perfect (and only businesses actually use it, very few HOME computer users do... add up Apple's side version combined with all the other home users and it's still less the 25% of home users).

And, quit confusing Android with Linux! The Android OS uses a totally different side off version of Linux as an underlying layer. As such, there are not only security issues with the underlying Linux, but more importantly with the Android layer itself.

As with ANY OS (Linux, iOS, Windows, Android) the best security is up to the user paying attention to what THEY are doing instead of trusting it to the OS itself. In other words, upgrading to Android Jelly Bean does NOT actually do ANYTHING to improve security any more than upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 does if the USER still does totally stupid things that will bypass the security improvements.

And, as you and I know both know there are NOT GOING TO BE ANY FURTHER FIRMWARE UPGRADES for the Archos G9. I, personally don't worry about the security issues (that's more due to STUPIDITY on the user end than flaws in the OS). Instead, what DOES BOTHER ME is that Archos left all us G9 users with a crappy firmware that does not work right at all... at best just annoyed everyone so much that they disable the main features of an Archos G9 just to be able to put up with even still owning one!

Yes how dare anyone want to improve things! The nerve of such people. Why next you'll be saying people are building in freestanding houses instead of caves! The fools!

WOW! I love this one!!! You, yourself finally trapped YOURSELF in your own totally idiotic beliefs LOL.

YOU, yourself just said that "I" believe in the concept that people should be able to build their own freestanding house, while YOU seem to believe that people should still remain in (Linux) caves! Twirl your own comments around in your own head for a a while, but here's the real facts...

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CHANGE SIMPLY FOR CHANGE! That's totally idiotic, and (unfortunately) is what is going on in the computer/cellphone/tablet/tv world.

I have NOTHING AGAINST CHANGE WHEN IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES THINGS, but (unfortunately) all the 'change' I've seen in most things is just adding a bunch of TOTALLY UNNECESSARY fluff. I've lost all interest in Android simply because Google is now adding all kinds of 'fluff' crap that I never needed or wanted.

As such, not only will I not buy another Archos device, I will not buy any device running Android either (if I can avoid it). If I am going to be FORCED into a bunch of crap that I did NOT WANT to start with... well, then I might as well just buy a Windows device (since they already have me by the balls with 'home' computers already).