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Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:21 am
by ct760ster
Hello, just to remind you of some newbie mistake I commit, for those of you running a different hard disk with a jailbroken firmware please avoid yourself the problem of an unbootable devices, just don't try like myself an install an official firmware 1.7.17, wait until somebody jailbreak it. I know its tempting because you have MKV and youtube support again. But just restrain yourself for now.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:28 am
by dm8tbr
What is your actual problem?
You replaced your harddrive and ran it with an open bootloader? Then installed the official 1.7.17 and expected it still to work?

JFTR: 1.7.17 works just fine on my A7 with SDE bootloader and openAOS boot-menu.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:11 am
by ct760ster
My A5 have an 500GB seagate hard disk and just keep in a loop at the startup logo, recovery menu is just fine but I'm afraid that would impossible to re-jailbreak it without restoring the old hard disk.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:45 am
by dm8tbr
You might want to read this: http://www.openaos.org/archives/196

In general after replacing a harddrive in an Archos unit you should never try and install original firmware AOS files. As original firmware AOS files will always contain the hdd-lock.

Manually replacing the cramfs.secure files just works fine for example. The openAOS menu can even help you in updating/installing firmware if you use the latest gen6 version: http://www.openaos.org/archives/424

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:14 am
by ct760ster
Question? Do I lose all the data in the hard disk once install the SDE firmware from the official .AOS firmware?. I had it installed by means of the boot menu, and it keep the root and hidden partition intact.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:14 pm
by dm8tbr
ct760ster wrote:Question? Do I lose all the data in the hard disk once install the SDE firmware from the official .AOS firmware?. I had it installed by means of the boot menu, and it keep the root and hidden partition intact.
No, upon installation it will only blank the hidden partition, back that up if you want to keep the settings stored in there. How to do that is described in both dual-boot guides.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:08 am
by ct760ster
Hi again, I managed with the suggest of dm8tbr to install the official SDE firmware, installed the dualboot and then copy the extracted cramfs.secure files from firmware 1.6.54 to the empty system partition. This make the A5 able to boot into legacy AVOS and then the regular jailbreak process apply to keep it up to date with the latest firmware available for jailbreakers 1.7.11. The problem now is, because I applied the official SDE I had lost my DRM keys, the bootloader seems to be the official one and not the jailbreak one consequently making it unable to install unsigned firmware by way of the recovery menu. Oddly once you're running the jailbreaked AVOS and try to update to any unsigned .aos firmware that you could find, even downgrade, it works but without effecting the bootloader. Any suggestion to how to make the bootloader more open?.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:17 am
by dm8tbr
ct760ster wrote:Any suggestion to how to make the bootloader more open?
What you are experiencing is 100% expected. You forfeited your bootloader when you installed an official firmware with official bootloader while having a non-Archos harddrive installed. There is no known way in this constellation to install an more open bootloader. Your only possibility would be to fit the original Archos drive back in and repeat the process (provided that it still works enough to do so).

What would you need this for though? The Archos firmware has 98% of its functionality with the SDE boot loader. Most users are unlikely to run into and need this remaining 2% often.

One last word about 'jailbreaking' and 'downgrading'. Those things are moot, you run an custom kernel and custom initramfs! Technically you own the system. If you run a recent version of the openAOS boot-menu then you can even trivially change the firmware files in your hidden partition. If you don't then you might want to consider upgrading.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:07 pm
by kumetix
Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie, trying very hard to understand whatever being explained in these forums regarding jailbreaking the archos.
I'm tech savvy in away, and been developing for many years, but still, appearntly my understandings are still limited, so if you could please be kind enough to clear some stuff out, I'll be very grateful.

I got 250gigs Archos 5, unfortunaly firmware already updated to 1.7.17

from what I was able to pick for my digging in the last week in all the forums, is that in order for me to be able to apply to current jailbreak / GFT / mouldy cheese / etc to my archos, I'll have to somehow downgrade it to 1.7.13 or 1.7.11 or maybe even 1.7.2, is that correct?

many times its been said that in order to do this you have to REPLACE the HD ??
I stil can't understand what it mean. does it mean phisically opening the archos and replacing the h.d (which no way in the world I'm able to do) ..or what??

if anyone here plssss could just supply some summerized clearifications regarding what is one's options given the fact that his archos is archos 5 (not 605 - the one with the buttons on the side, also, not the more advanced archos 5 internet tablet, which is designed differently) with 1.7.17 ?

for the moment all I've seen was documents talking about 605wifi which is a different device, so unless one of you experts here will kindly be able to confirm that the hack should work the same for my device, I'll guess I'll just have to leave this idea.

generaly speaking, I wouldn't mind buying the cinema plugin (which btw reminds me of another question - where should I but the plugin? from archos.com for 19.99$ or from archos-plugin.com for 15$ ? for some reason the latter feels a bit suspicious - anyone has an idea regarding it?)

anyway as I said, I wouldn't mind buying the cinema plugin, I'm more into the technological challange, cause I have to admit, it is quiet complicated for me, but I believe I could do it (with a little help from my friends :D )

please advice! heaps of thanks!

thank you very much

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:19 pm
by dm8tbr
kumetix wrote:generaly speaking, I wouldn't mind buying the cinema plugin
Then please do so. Archos.com will happily fulfill your order. I'm pretty sure.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:29 pm
by kumetix
dm8tbr wrote:
kumetix wrote:generaly speaking, I wouldn't mind buying the cinema plugin
Then please do so. Archos.com will happily fulfill your order. I'm pretty sure.
your unhelpful cinicism is most defently not appreciated.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:58 am
by dm8tbr
kumetix wrote:
dm8tbr wrote:
kumetix wrote:generaly speaking, I wouldn't mind buying the cinema plugin
Then please do so. Archos.com will happily fulfill your order. I'm pretty sure.
your unhelpful cinicism is most defently not appreciated.
Your asking for help in hacking the device to run cracked firmware that illegally enables features isn't appreciated either. suck it up.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:59 pm
by kumetix
dm8tbr wrote: Your asking for help in hacking the device to run cracked firmware that illegally enables features isn't appreciated either. suck it up.
Well what do u know, I ended up paying good money for the plugin just to get eventually "Error : This file was not created for your Archos Portable player". and yes I still get it after I rebooted and after checked seven times that the product key I got registered in archos website is identical to the one presented in the device which identical to the one shown in the exeutable they sent me... what a surprise.

and hence the reason why so many people were busy enough to jailbreak this device. , and ofcourse, nobody to call to since for some reason no technical support number is available for me in the website...go figure.

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:48 am
by grond
kumetix wrote:Well what do u know, I ended up paying good money for the plugin just to get eventually "Error : This file was not created for your Archos Portable player"
Hm, are you sure you haven't accidentally mistaken the "Archos 5 IT" for the "Archos 5 IMT" when buying the plugin?

Re: Hard disk hack, stay away from new firmware

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:54 am
by kumetix
grond wrote:
kumetix wrote:Well what do u know, I ended up paying good money for the plugin just to get eventually "Error : This file was not created for your Archos Portable player"
Hm, are you sure you haven't accidentally mistaken the "Archos 5 IT" for the "Archos 5 IMT" when buying the plugin?
this is my device - Archos 5 IMT (250gigs)
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2008/8/Archos-5.jpg

also, when I look at "Manage Products" in archos store website, I see the same picture.