Bluetooth tethering & AD-Hoc Wifi

[nopantts]

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A while ago I wrote an expanded "idiots guide" to Devo's original Market Hack, for those who wanted to understand what each line was doing.

Is there any chance of someone writing such a guide for this AdHoc mode Wifi Connection Method?

I don't have a Windows Mobile phone, and would like to understand the key concepts so that I can investigate what's necessary to get it up and running on a Symbian Phone - in my case Nokia N97. I'm using Joikuspot to create the AdHoc HotSpot.

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[buster8079]

A while ago I wrote an expanded "idiots guide" to Devo's original Market Hack, for those who wanted to understand what each line was doing.

Is there any chance of someone writing such a guide for this AdHoc mode Wifi Connection Method?

Well, if/when they do, I think injecting such a guide into the networking articles (http://wiki.archosfans.com/index.php?ti ... onnections http://wiki.archosfans.com/index.php?ti ... n_with_WEP) on the wiki is the right venue.

[pcpal]

Have a windows mobile device and tired of bluetooth speed restrictions or having trouble setting it up? Use wifi tethering instead http://wiki.archosfans.com/index.php?ti ... n_with_WEP

I set my "wep_tx_keyidx=0" to 1 because that was the default in WMWifiRouter. WWMWifiRouter is very configurable.

[GenghisKhent]

I have a Blackberry Storm 9530 on the Verizon network with a so-called unlimited plan.

Under Bluetooth Settings > Bluetooth Devices the 9530 is paired but not connected. Based on this thread (which I've read in its entirety) this is OK, report of connection not needed.

Uncer Cell hone tethering, the BB 9530 shows up under Bluetooth phone ID. I've tried various things for the APN (e.g., blank, internet, internet.com) but tether is unchecked. When I check it, check disappears, and a message that phone doesn't support tethering.

What am I missing (besides intelligence)?

A subscription to BBAC (BroadBand Access Connect).

VZW Demo Line = $0 . Price they would have to pay me to carry a Blackberry = Priceless

Thanks. But what is the correct APN for VZW? Or is it blank? TIA

[drellisdee]

Should be very similar if not exact. Does jokuspot create a static ip for you? If so try my settings assuming you use wep 64bit.

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A while ago I wrote an expanded "idiots guide" to Devo's original Market Hack, for those who wanted to understand what each line was doing.

Is there any chance of someone writing such a guide for this AdHoc mode Wifi Connection Method?

I don't have a Windows Mobile phone, and would like to understand the key concepts so that I can investigate what's necessary to get it up and running on a Symbian Phone - in my case Nokia N97. I'm using Joikuspot to create the AdHoc HotSpot.

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[nopantts]

Should be very similar if not exact. Does jokuspot create a static ip for you? If so try my settings assuming you use wep 64bit.

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A while ago I wrote an expanded "idiots guide" to Devo's original Market Hack, for those who wanted to understand what each line was doing.

Is there any chance of someone writing such a guide for this AdHoc mode Wifi Connection Method?

I don't have a Windows Mobile phone, and would like to understand the key concepts so that I can investigate what's necessary to get it up and running on a Symbian Phone - in my case Nokia N97. I'm using Joikuspot to create the AdHoc HotSpot.

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Hi drellisdee

These are (all) the settable bits in Joikuspot:

Network name - (SSID)

Access Point name - e.g. o2 Mobile Web

802.11 channel - automatic / 1 / 6 / 11 (only auto and 6 work)

Encryption - None / WEP open / WEP shared

Encryption key type - Hex / Ascii

Encryption key length - 64 bit / 128 bit

Encryption key - generated by Joikuspot

Battery threshold - (range)

Landing page - No / Yes (default No)

GPS positioning - No / Yes (default No)

Gateway IP address - 192.168.2.1

Factory settings - Factory reset option.

There is nowhere to set a static ip address. My Windows Vista (sorry) laptops accept the dynamic addresses allocated by Joikuspot.

That's it really.

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[drellisdee]

nopantts,

Without having a symbian to test with its hard to say. Try the wpa_supplicant as is. Does jokuspot set the wep kep and have it change each time you use it or does it say the same? If it stays the same it has a chance to work. Every wifi ad-hoc app I've seen from a mobile device sets a static ip for you.

[fizzlepop]

Has anyone successfully tethered with the Archos using a Blackberry Bold with the Tetherberry (now known just as Tether) software? I bought and used this software on my laptop and was actually surprised at how well it worked, so I was wondering if there was a way to use it with the Archos. It's supposed to be able to tether without monthly charges via USB or Bluetooth, but I haven't tried out the Bluetooth method yet.

[nopantts]

nopantts,

Without having a symbian to test with its hard to say. Try the wpa_supplicant as is. Does jokuspot set the wep kep and have it change each time you use it or does it say the same? If it stays the same it has a chance to work. Every wifi ad-hoc app I've seen from a mobile device sets a static ip for you.

I'll try your settings again.

When you choose the 64 or 128 bit setting, and then select hex or ascii, Joikuspot creates the wep key accordingly. This key remains the same always, unless you alter any of those other settings, when it will generate a new key. It generates a different key for hex, from the one it creates for ascii.

However. Surely there are 2 stages to making a Wlan connection.

1 - "See" the router.
2 - Connect to the router.

2 - breaks down into
2a - no security (encryption)
2b - add security

2b - breaks down into
2b.1 - add security - OPEN
2b.2 - add security - SHARED

Encryption - Hex or Ascii - does it matter which?

I'm assuming it should be 64 bit, not 128 bit?

Unless you can see the router, you'll never connect.

So far, whatever I've set, I've never been able to "see" the phone in the list on my A5A.

That's how I set up my laptop to begin with. I set Joikuspot to No Encryption. I wanted to start by making it as easy as possible to see and connect. Then I addedd security afterwards.

So, what's the minimum I need to set, forgetting encryption?

Then there is the question of what is this wpa_supplicant.conf actually doing? Does this file only record the setup of the last wireless network to which it connected? Or does it (as on a Windows PC) make a list of all "known" wireless networks in some kind of prioritised order? For example, when I pull the file, it shows the details of my home wireless router WPA2 connection.

What I'm saying is, unlike my file, none of the examples above show the details of any other wireless network. Why is this? Is it because, as I asked above, each connection overwrites the previous connection details, leaving just one network? If this is so, then, even if I achieve a correct setup for the A5A, it will be overwritten the next time I connect to my home network. If the file maintains a list of networks, should I add a setup for this adhoc Joikuspot network before or after my existing home network?

About the tiwlan.ini file.

Is it only necessary to change the one value to 1? I've seen suggestions about changing other values to 1.

By the way. Joikuspot, in Beta form, is available for Linux. http://www.joiku.com/?action=products&m ... uct_id=605

They're developing it for Nokia's new Maemo, Linux based operating system for the N900.



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[nopantts]

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I switched off Wifi on my A5A and pulled the wpa_supplicant.conf file.

It contained the following lines only:

ctrl_interface=DIR=/data/misc/wifi/sockets GROUP=1010
update_config=1

What should I do with these lines? Delete or keep?

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[nopantts]

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Actually, don't worry about it. I've been doing some research, and I see just how much there is to know about these and other related parameters.

I've come to understand what each of your lines is doing, like why wep40 is the same as 64 bit authentication. I'm getting there.

I wonder if the dot11NetworkType settings and related parameters are the reason that the A5A only allows Wireless G (54MB/s) speeds, instead of Wireless N?

What fun! I love learning new stuff.

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[Ssett]

I switched off Wifi on my A5A and pulled the wpa_supplicant.conf file.

It contained the following lines only:

ctrl_interface=DIR=/data/misc/wifi/sockets GROUP=1010
update_config=1

What should I do with these lines? Delete or keep?

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How do I even get to that part, is it all about installing abd bridge drivers and going from there,,, My win7 64 bit isnt acepting nothing,,, I just want to turn on my ad-hoc abilities.

[srawat_itpro]

I switched off Wifi on my A5A and pulled the wpa_supplicant.conf file.

It contained the following lines only:

ctrl_interface=DIR=/data/misc/wifi/sockets GROUP=1010
update_config=1

What should I do with these lines? Delete or keep?

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How do I even get to that part, is it all about installing abd bridge drivers and going from there,,, My win7 64 bit isnt acepting nothing,,, I just want to turn on my ad-hoc abilities.

add this below and push back

ap_scan=2

network={
ssid="<your SSID here>"
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=NONE
group=WEP104 WEP40
auth_alg=OPEN
wep_key0="<Your WEP key here>"
priority=1
disable_pm=1
mode=1
wep_tx_keyidx=0
}

[nopantts]

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As far as I can see, that's exactly the same as what drellisdee said? Except that you've added quotations to the wep_key0= parameter.

Are you saying it's necessary to use quotation marks with this key too? Actually, for my home network which uses PSK, the PSK is in quotes.

By the way, from my reading I can see that, as drellisdee has used the 10 digit form of the wep_key, it is in Hex. But Hex needs to have 0x added to the beginning, making 12 digits. So, shouldn't that wep_key0 be 12 digits, beginning 0x? That answers one of my questions.

Ascii is 8 bit, therefore 40 divided by 8 is 5. So an ascii key would be 5 digits. Hex is 4 bit, therfore 40 divided by 4 is 10, plus the 0x to denote Hex. Therefore a Hex key would be 12 digits. So it's either 5 or 12 digits.

The very use of the wpa_supplicant.conf file is about authentication.

I'm still not "seeing" my phone, and I know it's not hidden (making scan=2 unneccessary).

So, is there another file / setting which needs to be set, to make the A5A even see the phone, even if it doesn't connect? In addition to AdHoc=1, in tiwlan.ini that is.

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[drellisdee]

The only way I could get it to see phone was ap_scan=2 which seems to dissapear from wpa_suppilcant after you config a standard wifi network through the wifi manager on archos. Use the hex key without the leading 0x nopantts.

[srawat_itpro]

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As far as I can see, that's exactly the same as what drellisdee said? Except that you've added quotations to the wep_key0= parameter.

The quotes were already there in the file when I pulled it. This is because first I tried to Add a network from the A5A UI so that it could expose the default settings.

Are you saying it's necessary to use quotation marks with this key too? Actually, for my home network which uses PSK, the PSK is in quotes.

Not sure.. I created an adhoc PC network and tried A5A to detect or use it.. but its not working. None seems to tell if ad-hoc networking supported is added for WinMo devices created network or normal PC to PC ad-hoc network as well.

By the way, from my reading I can see that, as drellisdee has used the 10 digit form of the wep_key, it is in Hex. But Hex needs to have 0x added to the beginning, making 12 digits. So, shouldn't that wep_key0 be 12 digits, beginning 0x? That answers one of my questions.

Ascii is 8 bit, therefore 40 divided by 8 is 5. So an ascii key would be 5 digits. Hex is 4 bit, therfore 40 divided by 4 is 10, plus the 0x to denote Hex. Therefore a Hex key would be 12 digits. So it's either 5 or 12 digits.

The very use of the wpa_supplicant.conf file is about authentication.

I'm still not "seeing" my phone, and I know it's not hidden (making scan=2 unneccessary).

So, is there another file / setting which needs to be set, to make the A5A even see the phone, even if it doesn't connect? In addition to AdHoc=1, in tiwlan.ini that is.

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Not much luck with doing all the above settings for me.

Rgds
Sandy

[jeremiah_mn]

I'm kind of confused. In the FAQ on the first post it says that it's ok if it says paired but not connected. Mind does this, but when I turn on bluetooth tethering on my g1 it still doesn't allow me to connect? When I go to the tethering options on my archos where you choose the phone, there is no phone on the list to choose?

any ideas?

[pascanu]

I'm kind of confused. In the FAQ on the first post it says that it's ok if it says paired but not connected. Mind does this, but when I turn on bluetooth tethering on my g1 it still doesn't allow me to connect? When I go to the tethering options on my archos where you choose the phone, there is no phone on the list to choose?

any ideas?

I would check the Wireless Tether settings on the G1. If the 2 devices paired correctly and the G1 is able to tether via BT correctly your phone should apear on the Archos as "able to tether". The idea is that a phone should "broadcast" it's ability to tether via BT before the Archos can connect to it. The G1 does not have that ability until WT is correctly setup and running.

Hope this helps....

[mrliberty]

One thing to realize is that wpa_supplicant.conf gets wiped out or changed when you make ANY network SSID changes on the A5IT itself. If you edit wpa_supplicant.conf and then add another SSID to your A5IT from the device, you might lose all changes you've made before. It's annoying.

[buster8079]

One thing to realize is that wpa_supplicant.conf gets wiped out or changed when you make ANY network SSID changes on the A5IT itself. If you edit wpa_supplicant.conf and then add another SSID to your A5IT from the device, you might lose all changes you've made before. It's annoying.

that seems to be wiki-worthy material!