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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:40 am 
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I got this idea to move the AJAX chat over to be hosted on http://friendfeed.com/archosfans instead of this AJAX chat hosted here which only rarely had any significant activity, and which actually consisted mostly of people chatting with themselves asking if anyone else was in the room.

http://friendfeed.com/archosfans should make it possible for users to post questions and get real-time replies by other users. There is a nice friendfeed notifier application http://friendfeed.com/settings/notifier which could be used by many users of the community, and that could help bring more people into a real-time conversation.

Thus, I think this friendfeed real-time AJAXy interface is pretty new, I've been checking out friendfeed for a while, mostly to look for feeds that post stuff that I would search for, such as latest feeds with Archos updates http://friendfeed.com/search?q=archos

What do you think about that? Anyone prefer the old AJAX chat of chat/ ?

Another cool thing about friendfeed, is that you don't need to setup a friendfeed account, you can just sign-in using your Google account or your facebook account and start posting on friendfeed directly from that.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:31 am 
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to be brutally honist, i dont really think that will work, the chat was a good idea but i think it was too detacted from the board, if there was a shoutbox on the forum linking into a ajax chat etc it may have worked better. the majority of people forgot (myself included) about the chat, and this new one seems a further out than the previous one. this one looks (im probo wrong) more like another forum to me, not a live chat as such.
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give it a few days and see how it goes, then if it dosent talk to us and we will try to find another solution.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:29 pm 
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I didn't even know there was a chat here...:-)

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:32 pm 
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There are some improvements that could be made for the AJAX chat, like embedding a list of active chat users on the top of the forum at all times, so more people are more likely to open the chat and participate if they can clearly see that other people are active in there. Also I would want some type of openly searchable chat log view for all users, it might or might not be possible to implement.

Though friendfeed is potentially the best mix of live and later participation of users, with the friendfeed notifier, you can get a real-time popup on your desktop when other people post on the archosfans friendfeed channel, and it also can combine with RSS feeds from Archosfans.com, archoslounge.net and jbmm.fr (eventually finding some way to automatically translate their RSS feeds to english and offer links to Google translate versions of their pages or to the original post in french).

Friendfeed is cool cause you don't need to setup another account on it, you can just login to it using your existing Google or Facebook account, and most users already have that. Perhaps eventually, friendfeed might embed their channels better into the board, make the stuff look more like IRC and at the same time make it totally friendfeed compatible. Also a plugin for phpbb for users with more than 50 posts to be able to post the most relevant forum posts on the friendfeed channel as well could be cool as well. This way you can have one feed that combines all relevant Archos activities.

Sure the forum remains the best place to go deep into discussions about Archos topics, though friendfeed might help for people who want to try to have a faster more real-time response by other users.

By looking at the AJAX chat logs, it looks to me that very little constructive chatting activity has happened over the past few months. Sure sometimes there has been up to 10 users chatting at the same time, though most of the messages are of the type of "Hello? anyone there?" and with nobody else replying.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:25 pm 
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OK I am going a bit social networking Web 2.0 crazy, I've also setup a Twitter account for ArchosFans.com at http://twitter.com/archosfans

Let's try this friendfeed channel for a bit, see if any interesting conversations can happen by linking the chat icon to that.

1. Sign In to friendfeed (you can use your Google or Facebook account)

2. Subscribe to http://friendfeed.com/archosfans and start posting whatever you want in there (kind of like you would in a chat)

3. Install the friendfeed notifier on your Windows/Mac/Linux desktop and receive real-time popup notifications on your desktop when other users post in the http://friendfeed.com/archosfans channel. You can then easilly click to go reply and discuss the topic there.

4. If you think that your forum post is very interesting for a broad friendfeed channel audience to look at, you are welcome to promote your forum.archosfans.com thread on http://friendfeed.com/archosfans by simply explaining it briefly and linking to it.

5. If you have an Archos related blog, twitter account or anything like that, we can add your feed to http://friendfeed.com/archosfans and thus try to improve the amount of real-time coverage that we can all have for Archos related news, discussions, ideas and whatever else.

6. I am not saying that I believe this twitter/friendfeed stuff will work great in the future, I just think friendfeed looks a little more usable than twitter. Their new real-time AJAX interface backend could be really interesting to basically make some kind of mix between a Chat, random twittering, RSS aggregating Archos related feeds and discussing whatever actual topics are Archos related on the Internet. Any Archos user can post questions and get real-time answers on there. Promote the forum's most interesting threads and discuss them there. Post new Archos Youtube videos as soon as they are made and plenty more. Eventually we can also record ArchosFans podcasts using audio, perhaps even live video streaming from events.

7. Eventually we will all subscribe to this http://friendfeed.com/archosfans channel on our Archos Android devices, which will then popup real-time notifications on our Archos HSDPA device everytime something new happens in the Archos universe. Later I expect friendfeed to also implement all kinds of relevancy filtering so you will be able to filter how much of the noise that you will want to be notified about in real-time.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:37 pm 
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Have you looked at trying 123FlashChat as a possible option?

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:39 pm 
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Flash chat isn't as good as AJAX stuff. And that complicated Flash chat probably wouldn't work correctly if at all on Archos devices while the AJAX chats work just fine.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:07 am 
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Charbax wrote:
Flash chat isn't as good as AJAX stuff. And that complicated Flash chat probably wouldn't work correctly if at all on Archos devices while the AJAX chats work just fine.


My bad, hadn't thought of the Archos usage lol..

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:09 am 
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Would prefer just had a shoutbox at the top of here:
index.php


Not really interested in desktop notification, would rather just have a shoutbox, where you could talk to a user if you wanted.

So kind of like the chat we had before, but have that embedded on the forum index page abovt the forum lists.

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http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/154

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:29 am 
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How about a simple IRC chat? It's a part of the Internet that was designed for chat.. why not use it! Not many complications, takes little bandwidth, and, doesn't require using the web. IRC is far less clunky to chat on than any web service.


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:45 am 
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I agree IRC is simple, but it's not useful when there is only 1 user in the room at a time. Friendfeed combines real-time notifications thus real-time support and it stores all posts nicely as well for searching, commenting, reading and filtering later..

I think a shoutbox might be too heavy for most forum users and too light for any serious real-time chatting to happen.

I'm hoping Google, friendfeed, phpbb and wordpress will soon integrate all together nicely and automatically. So all the forum users can comment on the blog, post and get updates on friendfeed, chat and interact more like a social network all on one same Open Social login and without having to dangerously hack all these scripts on each end. Cause once you start hacking the code, even with documented mods and plugins to share databases and whatnot, it can get really difficult to upgrade one part or the other of the site without there being serious incompatibilities.


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