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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:52 pm 
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another test :
LRC File with the Archos Player it is not ok
but I use this
http://www.playerandroid.com/media-play ... lrc-lyrics

and it is ok !

please Charbx, confirm ou not confirm

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:31 pm 
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The 43 appears to have a wide viewing angle screen! Please show a colorful photograph with viewing from extreme angles -- but not have the overhead light reflect on the screen. A high quality screen is a major selling point for me and, hopefully, others.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:40 pm 
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DTS audio in MKV 720p high profile works beautifully, video is about 3mbit/s and DTS audio is 1.5mbit/s, but perhaps some issue on sync in HDMI output when seeking in the video, but on LCD sync is perfect for this kind of file. I filmed two video reviews, will upload them both within a couple of hours. I filmed one with the A43 in 4mbit/s 720p mode, I am not sure if there is a way in the settings to choose the audio quality in camcorder mode or if it is set automatically based on the overall chosen bitrate. And I also wonder if better audio recording in HD camcorder mode can be done using an external bluetooth microphone. HDMI output is beautiful for video, video games and web browsing, I wish I had a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to test, maybe I buy some tomorrow in a store.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:05 pm 
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I'm uploading a long high quality video review of the Archos 43 Internet Tablet right now, demonstrating a ton of stuff.

I'll post more HD video recording samples and ask Archos if audio sync and dropped frames if there are some at higher bitrates is fixable in an update soon.

Here is my video review of the Archos 32 Internet Tablet, recorded with the Archos 43 Internet Tablet 720p 4mbit/s recording mode (maybe I should have set it at "Night Mode" which perhaps clears noise and locks it on indoor light white balance): http://archosfans.com/2010/09/27/review ... et-tablet/


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:29 pm 
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First, thanks for the awesome job you're doing. I mean for everything, this site, all the videos, all the coverage.

Yeah, sound is OOS. Is it OOS when you playback in its native format? Since the video is using VFR (variable frame rate), may be Youtube is not be able to do the conversion to CFR correctly. Otherwise, video is soft but OK for a Youtube vid.

Would suggest you use a regular camcorder (or digicam with good movie mode) so viewers can see the screens more clearly. Also, since the screens are so glossy, suggest using dim lighting or adjust it so the screens don't throw off reflections.

BTW, I'm with the Engadget/Liliput/CNet reviewers: the Touch kills the 32. Better to put the 43 up against it.

Hope to see more detailed side-by-side compares for the 43 against other pocketables: Touch, 5IT, EVO...

Keep up the video feeds. I appreciate your work.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:32 pm 
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If you have a micro-a USB to USB-A cable, could you plug in a 3G USB modem and see what happens? Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:35 pm 
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d00b wrote:
Yeah, sound is OOS. Is it OOS when you playback in its native format? Since the video is using VFR (variable frame rate), may be Youtube is not be able to do the conversion to CFR correctly. Otherwise, video is soft but OK for a Youtube vid.


I posted the link to the full sample video file, is it out of sync on your computer? Maybe I need to re-encode the file before uploading to Youtube if it's an issue of Youtube not converting the variable bitrate video and audio in sync correctly. It'd need to be fixed anyways, I want to be able to upload videos directly from the Archos to Youtube, and hopefully using a high quality wireless bluetooth microphone.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:45 pm 
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Yeah, native file is also OOS. Audio is all over the place; it runs before the video at one spot, and lags the video at close to the end.

Suggest trying test clips @ VGA & WVGA mode. Make sure to have some conversation going so we can check for sync.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:51 pm 
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d00b wrote:
BTW, I'm with the Engadget/Liliput/CNet reviewers: the Touch kills the 32. Better to put the 43 up against it.


Those outlets receive free review units and have no concept of the value of things, they keep saying smart phones cost $199 not mentioning that there are $2000-$3000 2-year contracts required. Just see how Engadget reported on Galaxy Tab costing $200-$300 not mentioning that comes with a $1000+ contract.

Archos 28 is $99. Anyone going for sub-3.5" should just go with that and get much better multimedia support in the package. For above 4" as well Archos has the best solutions.

It's all about what you think is important. Either the useless pixel density and itunes is important or the full multimedia support on Android and WQVGA is enough for 16:9 and QVGA is enough for 4:3 at the sizes at less than half the price.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:20 am 
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The 28/32 are in a difference price bracket; they'll compete against other PMPs rather than the Touch. Among the competitors will be Archos' own Vision line. The enhanced web/app function is a compelling hook, but for meat-and-potatoes PMP features, i.e. storage size per dollar, the A28 @4GB and 32 @8GB fall short on value. The 28/32 can't work as MIDs because of their small screens & res.

If a PMP buyer was rational, these won't fly. But impulse buying dominates in the <$100 bracket, so the A28 may get some good sales. Hard to say.

The A32's $150 falls into the neither-fish-nor-fowl territory. On one hand, it's not that much cheaper than the 43 and Touch. OTOH, it's too expensive as a 8GB PMP. My opinion is that the 32 will have the most trouble finding an audience.

Edit: One way to promo these units would be to license one or more popular Android 3D games and preload them. And make sure demo units feature the game(s) prominently. That's one feature that no "traditional" PMP can compete against.

The problem is that the whole Gen8 is using the same core, i.e. every model has a 1GHz Cortex A8. This gets better volume pricing and simplifies firmware development, but it makes the low-end models more expensive than they should be. In effect, the low-end models subsidize the higher models.

I think the 43/70/101 will sell well, as long as there's no showstopper bugs, and they get into enough stores with enough visibility. It's not an aberration that most of the interest on here are for these models.

IMO, a better range for the IT line would be 4.3,5,7,10. If Archos wants smaller Android PMPs, it can go the HT route and rebrand some Telechips units for cheaper. As said, the small Androids also clash with the existing Vision line, and it needs to reposition (or eliminate) that line as well.

Anyway, I'll let Archos worry about how to sell. Let's see some more vids...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:38 am 
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so it is able to downmix dts to stereo? that's nice.

as some noted various angles will be great.

with the 43 are you able to do multitouch. there are few resistive screens that offer that.

how about pinch to zoom. If that is out how does one zoom in/out.

Do you have an ipod touch handy? like a 3rd gen perhaps or even a 4th gen.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:54 am 
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I uploaded a second video recorded using A43's camcorder, this time in 800x480 and 2mbit/s using Night Mode (so no more white balance issues filming with indoor lights), let's see if the audio sync is better: http://archosfans.com/2010/09/27/review ... et-tablet/

I'm pretty sure Archos is going to fix the audio sync issue with the Android 2.2 firmware update. I'll ask them. I want to film in 720p 4mbit/s with good sync and hopefully a high quality bluetooth microphone can be used in camcorder mode.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:58 am 
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Archos 43 Internet Tablet video review is up: http://archosfans.com/2010/09/28/archos ... -reviewed/

Look forward to being blown away.

Tell me more of what you want me to focus on my next videos. Cause of course I will film more and try to focus on performance.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:05 am 
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Comment on the 2nd A32 clip (watched in native format): The good news is that this is also OOS, which means that it's a consistent bug and isn't related to resolution or bitrate.

BTW, 2Mbs @ WVGA isn't noticeably worse than 4Mbs @ 720p. It's very watchable at least in this low-detail setting. Motion blur is pretty excessive (also in cajl's moving bus shot), so forget about any fast-action stuff. I think VGA & WVGA will be the most useful modes.

Edit: A43 video "not available". Temporary?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:11 am 
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d00b wrote:
The A32's $150 falls into the neither-fish-nor-fowl territory.


Archos prices probably include 30% reseller margins. So resellers can sell A32 for as low as $104 pretty soon if they want to do promotions and get customers into their stores to buy other things. And A28 could be sold soon for as little as $70.

d00b wrote:
If a PMP buyer was rational, these won't fly.


Archos is for the rational buyer. Apple products are for the irrational buyers. Ipod Touch has a little screen and so if you are going to buy such small screened device, you may as well get an Archos at less than half the price with actually even better multimedia features. Pure rational thinking. And potentially millions of rational people will think exactly like this.


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d00b wrote:
Comment on the 2nd A32 clip (watched in native format): The good news is that this is also OOS, which means that it's a consistent bug and isn't related to resolution or bitrate.

BTW, 2Mbs @ WVGA isn't noticeably worse than 4Mbs @ 720p. It's very watchable at least in this low-detail setting. Motion blur is pretty excessive (also in cajl's moving bus shot), so forget about any fast-action stuff. I think VGA & WVGA will be the most useful modes.

Edit: A43 video "not available". Temporary?


YouTube hasn't finished processing it as yet.


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can you download any camera augmented reality apps and try them out?

look up on google:

augmented reality for android

just curious

also can it run opengl games like asphalt 5 racing? please try this one out

thanks


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obiwan22 wrote:
can you download any camera augmented reality apps and try them out?

look up on google:

augmented reality for android

just curious

also can it run opengl games like asphalt 5 racing? please try this one out

thanks


The Gen8 line has OpenGL 2.0 so yes it can run them..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:22 am 
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I'll preface this by confessing that I'm kinda the opposite of Charbax.. he's the enthusiastic guy while I'm the "hey there's a problem" guy.. not very fun to have at parties...

Re: Web site browsing sequence - Suggest a static setup with the recording cam on a tripod, and the tablet used with a USB keyboard/mouse combo. With the handheld cam & tablet, the frame keeps moving around, and the focus isn't held long enough to get a good look. This would matter more for side-by-side compares.

Also suggest to have separate short downloadable clips of these (in hi-res), so we can see actual screen clarity w/o it getting blurred by Youtube's resize/recode.

Re: Big-screen experience - As long as the wifi holds up, the ad hoc media center function looks impressive.

But as shown it's only good for a 5-foot (2-metre) experience, i.e. you have to sit practically next to the screen to make out the text. There needs to be a quick way to adjust font sizes to allow a 10- to 20-foot experience, which is the typical distance for HDTV viewing.

3D action games would also need a BT controller (Wiimote) from that distance, since you aren't holding the tablet. These are more in the "added feature" category than problems.

Along with others' requests, I'm still interested in:

. Text legibility show full web sites at default font resolution. As above, would like to see a static setup + original hi-res clips. A 5-sec look per web site (for 2-3 sites) is good enough.

. Video playback - Suggest grabbing zalman's two bundles of video clips in "@nz - AAC/H.264/MKV support" thread. Some have AC3 and won't play audio, but these should provide a quick test. No need to show all of these on video. Just show if any has a problem.

. Wifi throughput - Play the same above videos through wifi in both SMB & UPnP mode. Let us know the specs of your wifi setup, viz. G or N, 20MHz or 40MHz mode, distance of router, and number & type of intervening obstructions if any.

Does the AMC have an on-screen status display that shows # of dropped frames? If it has, suggest this be switched on for the above two tests.

. SIP phone use - Since you'll need to jump through some hoops for the setup, may be it can wait until later.

. Lastly, please check on the app storage thing, and see a) how much app space available with all default apps installed, and b) how much total app space available.


These'll be it for me. Thanks again for all the work.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:26 am 
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d00b wrote:
I'll preface this by confessing that I'm kinda the opposite of Charbax.. he's the enthusiastic guy while I'm the "hey there's a problem" guy.. not very fun to have at parties...


And thank God for you. Optimism is nice, but it needs to be balanced.


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