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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:47 pm 
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I DLed the API files after reading Gabriel1964's topic Archos API for the AMC

Archos is really getting into this open source thing. What's going on? Management change?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:18 pm 
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AllenPapapetrou wrote:
But more than that what you want on the 5IT is SW like Sun's Virtual Box which allows running multiple OSs at the same time.


Wouldn't that feature be limited by the amount of fast access RAM storage available for the OS files?

Thus for example if both Android and ├àngstr├Âm have to run at the same time, that may take up double the amount of space in the firmware storage RAM thus potentially slowing things down for each of them..?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:34 pm 
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map002 wrote:
I'd agree on a 5IT specific open dev section.

Exciting stuff!


I renamed the old "Archos Hacking and Open Development" to "Open Development" and moved it up to spot 2.

Let me know if it would really make more sense to have more separate development sections and what those should be..


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:36 pm 
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Thanks for the change Charbax! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:45 pm 
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Charbax wrote:
AllenPapapetrou wrote:
But more than that what you want on the 5IT is SW like Sun's Virtual Box which allows running multiple OSs at the same time.


Wouldn't that feature be limited by the amount of fast access RAM storage available for the OS files?

Thus for example if both Android and ├àngstr├Âm have to run at the same time, that may take up double the amount of space in the firmware storage RAM thus potentially slowing things down for each of them..?


In a "Virtual Box" type of environment one of the OSes is a host. The swap file and memory management issues of Android are not a major consideration if it is not the host. Obviously the amount of main storage is a significant factor. I expect main storage on MIDs, including those by Archos, to dramatically increase in the coming years (Moore's Law). Swap files can reduce some issues for now. I'd also like to see large RAM disks come back in vogue.

Running multiple programs from mulitple OSes, on a MID, should be common place for techies as time passes, then the general populace --- much later.

Amazing what we primitives can do with sticks and stones, ain't it!!?!! =D> :lol: =D>

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:57 pm 
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AllenPapapetrou wrote:

Amazing what we primitives can do with sticks and stones, ain't it!!?!! =D> :lol: =D>

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Careful we'll be inventing fire next!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:02 pm 
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Whoa....looks like Archos is really embracing this whole open source thing. Which is great for me...


I was looking jealously at Nokia n900 because it seemed like everyday someone would port something crazy to it (Quake, Snes, Android....even OS X). It made me mad because they both share similar hardware with the Archos 5IT being the more powerful of the two. I'm excited about the possibilities.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:03 pm 
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Gabriel1964 wrote:
AllenPapapetrou wrote:
Amazing what we primitives can do with sticks and stones, ain't it!!?!! =D> :lol: =D>
Allen

Careful we'll be inventing fire next!!!!!!


Almost got me Gabriel! I stopped just before I would have scratched the screen :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:32 pm 
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The implementation of other Linux distros means that they themselves would have to work for an embedded platform right? Like I said I am gonna probably be up late tonight dabbling around a bit... just have to remember at some point my body likes when it gets sleep ;D


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:48 pm 
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Anybody getting Memo 5 on here :)

sorry i have no programming skills so...


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:54 pm 
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The implementation of other Linux distros means that they themselves would have to work for an embedded platform right?

Yup, Finding a distro with support for the ARM/PowerVR architecture is a must.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:59 pm 
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chumpu wrote:
Anybody getting Maemo 5 on here :)

sorry i have no programming skills so...



I was thinking the same thing....


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:03 am 
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map002 wrote:
ArchosWanderer wrote:
The implementation of other Linux distros means that they themselves would have to work for an embedded platform right?

Yup, Finding a distro with support for the ARM/PowerVR architecture is a must.

Michael


To Quote the wikipedia article "The Nokia N900 is a mobile Internet device and smartphone, from Nokia based on the Maemo platform, superseding the N810. It runs Maemo 5 Linux as its default operating system and is the first Nokia device based upon the TI OMAP3 microprocessor with the ARM Cortex-A8 core. "

Isn't that the pretty much the same TI OMAP3 in the Archos 5 IT? except ours runs at 800 MHz instead of 600 MHz?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:05 am 
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Retrocide wrote:
Isn't that the pretty much the same TI OMAP3 in the Archos 5 IT? except ours runs at 800 MHz instead of 600 MHz?

yes


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:38 am 
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Both Maemo and Android should be relatively easy ports as they're OMAP3 friendly to start with.

Every time I see Maemo, I think I'm looking at an article about Ikea. :lol:

Michael


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:01 am 
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yri4qOfP8T0

Can we do something like this?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:13 am 
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Not immediately. Right now, we'd have to reflash.

But this does open the door for at last the possibility of a bootloader and multiple OSes sometime soon.

But first we got to get another OS running well enough to want to dual-boot in the first place... :D

Michael


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:25 am 
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I know nothing about programming/developing, so this is probably a stupid question, but does this mean we might be able to get paid apps with the hack?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:32 am 
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Not really...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:36 am 
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AllenPapapetrou wrote:
Not really...


thanks... I suspected it was more about different os's for the archos and not about the google stuff. I wish I knew more of the programming/development side of it...sigh.....


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