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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:14 pm 
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~~Introduction~~

Sigh*

Just read through all the topics on this forum.

Go ahead, you have time, here's an intermission:

-**Intermission**-

Alright, so you've read through the site's posts and come to understand that instead of talking about their Archos's, people are just complaining on whether or not it's better than an iPod Touch.

So there are two major groups, and here's how I name them:
1. Charbax followers.
2. Everybody else.

Alright enough with the immature and rude jokes.
While I do admit that the Archos is a fine piece or hardware, I can see that the "Everybody else" group see's the problems.

There are all these hardware and software bugs. The company does seem to not do anything about it.
All this is topped by their plugin system and OS.

I {HATE} when I start my Archos 5 and see a menu item for a feature that I don't and never will have. On top of that I can't remove it. I can't install third party programs to add extra functionality to my device.

Why have such a fancy device when all it does is view web pages and video?

Honestly we need an Archos app store.

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~~Story~~

I think Archos knows that it's made these mistakes.

On sait que les Francais ne son pas fou, oui? Alors Archos n'est pas fou non plus.

Take a look at the Archos stock: http://www.advfn.com/quote_Archos_EURO_PJXR.html

They are at a low-point in business. And they know it. This time last year, an Archos stock was worth around 10 EUR. At this time of writing we're down to... around 2.75 EUR.

Archos knows they're down. What's the main difference between the iPod Touch and the Archos? Well the app store, indeed! "Well..." Archos thought, "We're not going to be able to make a whole new app store, but we need to!" Archos felt desperate. Food on the table was becoming scarce. Everyday the beautiful Franciscan environment was seeming bare and bland. Archos knew something needed to be done... then, suddenly as a hard disk will crash, he knew. "Android!"

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~~Software~~

Hopefully the only difference in the Android OS that the Archos will make will be the ability to buy apps to do the HD, Xvid and all that, y'know?

Knowing Archos though, it's risky - they could lock down the ability to purchase certain apps or all - so that we don't emulate the ability of the paid software. They also may add their own watermarks and spam like they have on the current Archos OS.

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~~Hardware~~

Unlike every other head under the sun in this forum, I don't think that the Archos hardware will be crazy-out-of-this-world.

I'm thinking that the new Archos will look like the current, with possibly a lighter-silver finish without the paint that they have now, as we all know how that turned out.
They might upgrade the processor to OMAP4 over the current 3, but I wouldn't hope for it as I don't think they feel a need to upgrade because Google Android doesn't NEED it.
A real wishlist item would be a capacitive touchscreen. It would almost seem obvious, but it would be like Archos to give an excuse like in that "Google Android is better with only one touch point."
They might add a microphone if the item is going to be a phone. This would require a little slit to be on the product :D
I'm thinking that if they go down the phone route, an accelerator (think that detects how your phone is being held) would be used. Videos are best viewed sideways, but you will want to hold the device upright to make a call. This would require the Archos to detect how you are holding it. How ever, they might make it that when you initiate a call, the numbers will go sideways no matter what and you'll need to hold the phone up.

I'm really thinking that the company is going to be as lazy as possible, and just add Android. I'm not sure what the rumors about the phone are but we'll see how that goes down June 11th.
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~~Conclusion~~
Life is tough, especially during these times. Archos needs to compete with the iPod Touch. They've GOT the hardware - and as their stocks show, hardware isn't everything. I really think that they will be focusing on stability. Most hardware changes, according to me, and you can quote me on this, are going to be MINIMAL and to make the device NOT SUCK. They are probably going to do a better job painting - as in no peel and maybe even a natural silver glow. Software-wise, I'm really HOPING to God that they don't lock down an open source software. I am speculating that Archos will put in a watermark or two and add a permanent icon/software for viewing videos or music (or something along those lines) and in that software will be advertisements for those daing 20$ plugins.
All-in-all, there's so much potential, but the company has a bad habit or f├╣cking things up. You're looking at a very similar to right now Archos with a new look and an app store along with a more customizable OS.

No, there will be no GPS :D

Thanks for taking the time for reading this - please, share in a kind and polite way what you think of my personal opinion.
Sincerely,
With so much love you'll be creeped out,
TedM

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:17 am 
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well I think you bring some good points

In my view they chose Android to have a 'ready' OS that the don't have to maintain on their own. The company is too small to have 100s of software engineers do the OS and the Apps. I also think they want to benefit from the Android hype.

I concurr with you on:

The Android device will look similar to the 5
Not only is the stock price down but they lost money big time in 2008 and their partner (Dish in the US) is not helping them on the distribution side anymore.

If they miss on the appstore or at least open up the OS enough for us to install native android apps the product will not make it.

In my view this is their last chance, if they miss it (mess it up) they are history (unfortunately). I wish them well and we will all see some news on Thursday but like you I have my doubts - in a nutshell I won't buy their stock right now.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:30 am 
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Archos stock can go up 100x todays market price.

Apple's stock can easily go down by half or 2/3rds in the next few months.

If you want to be sure, you don't invest in anything, but then yet your currency devaluates non-stop and you are not allowed to speculate with the Chinese yuan. Even buying gold is not a sure bet.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:33 am 
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TedM wrote:
So there are two major groups, and here's how I name them:
1. Charbax followers.
2. Everybody else.


LOL unfortunately because I was mislead (no, lied to is more like it) by Archos regarding the Archos 5, I have to say I am on group 2.

TedM wrote:
Life is tough, especially during these times. Archos needs to compete with the iPod Touch. They've GOT the hardware - and as their stocks show, hardware isn't everything. I really think that they will be focusing on stability.


They had a potential GREAT product with Archos 5 and 7. They should improve the stability on that and start over with that product, but for real this time, no betas, no bugs, no faulty designs, no non-working functionalities. Just do what they promised. Late is better than never, and right now my feeling is that for Archos 5 it will be never. If they can't fix a Linux OS with apps Archos created and messed up, then how good are they for Google Android?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:39 am 
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Charbax wrote:
Archos stock can go up 100x todays market price.

Apple's stock can easily go down by half or 2/3rds in the next few months.

If you want to be sure, you don't invest in anything, but then yet your currency devaluates non-stop and you are not allowed to speculate with the Chinese yuan. Even buying gold is not a sure bet.

100x??? Really??? LOL
They could... but then again, they could not, where's the substance for that?...

But since you brought Apple to the subject maybe you could read this: http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579
(inic quote)
"...WeÔÇÖre asking a lot from this little core and although it has performed admirably thanks to some clever software engineering on AppleÔÇÖs part, itÔÇÖs time for an update."
(end quote)

WOW, Apple has clever software engineers on its staff??? Charbax, what do you think about this comment from one AnandTech hardware specialist?

I think that It's these clever software engineers that make you wrong. Apple stock isn't going down in the next few months, it's going up! Now, Archos stock, however it's missing the clever software engineers...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:18 am 
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Archos has about 1000 times more clever software engineers per market capitalisation than Apple has. Archos introduced an ARM Cortex device nearly a year before Apple does (with this new iphone thing).


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:52 am 
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Charbax wrote:
Archos has about 1000 times more clever software engineers per market capitalisation than Apple has.


That might be true -- but you can be the best developer in the world and still not be able to get a decent product out. Archos' problems are not technical -- we know they are able to produce decent products in the right circumstances. Archos' main problem, I think, is a lack of investment in QA, testing, and code maintenance. Inadequate attention t customer's needs probably doesn't help much.

These aren't problems that can be solved by clever developers.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:59 am 
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Charbax wrote:
Archos has about 1000 times more clever software engineers per market capitalisation than Apple has. Archos introduced an ARM Cortex device nearly a year before Apple does (with this new iphone thing).

Really? LOL
Then why so many bugs still unsolved on Archos 5/7 after almost a year out?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:58 am 
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cmuralhas wrote:
Charbax wrote:
Archos has about 1000 times more clever software engineers per market capitalisation than Apple has. Archos introduced an ARM Cortex device nearly a year before Apple does (with this new iphone thing).

Really? LOL
Then why so many bugs still unsolved on Archos 5/7 after almost a year out?


Why because it appears that there are too many people like Charbax who work at Archos wearing rose coloured glasses. Charbax we really want this to work, I like many members on this forum do think that Archos hardware has great potential and would love them to wipe the smile of Apple's face. But how can they when they refuse to listen to their customers? except for you Charbax. I have had a lousy experience with Archos and often its the frustration of being ignored that you see played out on the forum and for that I thank charbax, however does that mean we mustn't voice our opinions? I notice elsewhere that Chabax seems to close threads when he gets backed up or don't like what is being said about his beloved Archos. Well if you are going to do that then maybe you should change the forum rules to only promote Archos in a positive way. That way we would all be clear about what we can say. remember we complain because we care and want to see Improvements. Having owned 4 different archos models I voted with my pocket this year and didnt upgrade to the 5. OK so big deal its only £350 no great loss, but if they don't take heed many others will eventually Jump Ship and there are many examples of companies who have lost out because they refuse to listen. I hope this gets posted. We ( everyone else) Want Archos to do well so please Archos just listen. thanks


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statsja wrote:
cmuralhas wrote:
Charbax wrote:
Archos has about 1000 times more clever software engineers per market capitalisation than Apple has. Archos introduced an ARM Cortex device nearly a year before Apple does (with this new iphone thing).

Really? LOL
Then why so many bugs still unsolved on Archos 5/7 after almost a year out?


Why because it appears that there are too many people like Charbax who work at Archos wearing rose coloured glasses.


I don't think that's the reason. It's just business. People aren't investing much right now, and companies have to make a judgement how to spend a decreasing amount of money to get maximum return.

Every $ I spend fixing problems to satisfy existing customers is a $ I can't spend on developing the next product. So the question is: will I get more return by spending my $ on fixes, or on developing the next product?

It's a tricky one, because if I don't fix the problems I'm going to get returns and bad reviews. I'm also going to lose loyal customers, but I might gain more customers for my new product than I lose for the old one.

If this sounds rather cynical, I guess it is; but many business are having to make cynical decisions to stay afloat right now.


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statsja wrote:
cmuralhas wrote:
Charbax wrote:
Archos has about 1000 times more clever software engineers per market capitalisation than Apple has. Archos introduced an ARM Cortex device nearly a year before Apple does (with this new iphone thing).

Really? LOL
Then why so many bugs still unsolved on Archos 5/7 after almost a year out?


Why because it appears that there are too many people like Charbax who work at Archos wearing rose coloured glasses. Charbax we really want this to work, I like many members on this forum do think that Archos hardware has great potential and would love them to wipe the smile of Apple's face. But how can they when they refuse to listen to their customers? except for you Charbax. I have had a lousy experience with Archos and often its the frustration of being ignored that you see played out on the forum and for that I thank charbax, however does that mean we mustn't voice our opinions? I notice elsewhere that Chabax seems to close threads when he gets backed up or don't like what is being said about his beloved Archos. Well if you are going to do that then maybe you should change the forum rules to only promote Archos in a positive way. That way we would all be clear about what we can say. remember we complain because we care and want to see Improvements. Having owned 4 different archos models I voted with my pocket this year and didnt upgrade to the 5. OK so big deal its only £350 no great loss, but if they don't take heed many others will eventually Jump Ship and there are many examples of companies who have lost out because they refuse to listen. I hope this gets posted. We ( everyone else) Want Archos to do well so please Archos just listen. thanks



So well said.

I truely hope this company listens to this :

- "we complain because we care and want to see Improvements"

- there are many examples of companies who have lost out because they refuse to listen.


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kb wrote:
I don't think that's the reason. It's just business. People aren't investing much right now, and companies have to make a judgement how to spend a decreasing amount of money to get maximum return.

Every $ I spend fixing problems to satisfy existing customers is a $ I can't spend on developing the next product. So the question is: will I get more return by spending my $ on fixes, or on developing the next product?

It's a tricky one, because if I don't fix the problems I'm going to get returns and bad reviews. I'm also going to lose loyal customers, but I might gain more customers for my new product than I lose for the old one.

If this sounds rather cynical, I guess it is; but many business are having to make cynical decisions to stay afloat right now.



Let me state my situation.

I have a Zune, and a HTC Touch Pro, but still would like to buy a bigger screen video player, Archos comes up as an alternative.

Being a 2009 buyer, with internets ;) being available to everyone... with blogs / forums / twitter being the norm of the day, it took me hardly an hour to come to this forum and a few others which are full of reviews and it is blatantly clear that
1. Archos support lacks
2. Their software is not enough for people (out if the box, without $20 a piece add ons)
3. Biggest concern - the company seems to be adamantly uncaring about it's current image or issues.

Result - I did not buy the Archos 5 which I would have if I had just a bit of assurance that Archos stands behind their own products.

Believe me - at this rate I bet if a non name chinese company starts making this sized product more people will be willing to trust them (as they want business) than Archos.

So, I understand that company has to decide if they want to fix their issues and stand behind their xsting products, or ignore the issues and just hope that next device will get you more $$$. If latter is really the case, then I am sorry... Archos can not be trusted by anyone even with next models...a s their strategy seems to be develop new things and lure new victims... and then repeat...

Their customer support or lack of could become a baggage that will not let Archos run on it's feet in this 21st cetuary market.


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