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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:28 pm 
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I think perhaps Archos should name the new generation of products like this, this post is purely made from my speculation and guessings for what I think would be the ultimate products at the best value with the highest potential on the current market:

Archos 5A: 4.8", Android ARM, Touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $250
Archos 5A OLED: 4.8" OLED, Android ARM, Touchscreen, 500GB = $500

Archos 7AT: 7", Android ARM, Touchscreen, 320GB+ = $300
Archos 7A: 7", Android ARM, Laptop form factor, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $150 (cheapest commercial laptop in the world, cheapest quality screen, minimum built-in flash storage with SDHC card reader)

Archos 9A: 8.9", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $200
Archos 9AT: 8.9", Android ARM, Touchscreen (tablet), 16GB Flash = $300
Archos 9IT: 8.9", Intel Windows, Touchscreen (tablet) = $400
Archos 9ICM: 8.9", Intel Windows, Education Classmate PC, no touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $300

Archos 10A: 10.1" (if possible 3Qi screen), Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $250
Archos 10: (current Archos 10 using Intel Windows) = $300
Archos 10S: (upcoming Archos 10S using Intel Windows) = $450

Archos 4: 4.3", basic PMP functions, no touchscreen, 16GB = $100, 32GB = $150
Archos 4A: 4.3", Android ARM, Touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $150

Archos 2: 1.8", basic mp3 player function, no touchscreen, 8GB = $50


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:39 pm 
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Here again are my previous suggestions for the skews and pricing for the Archos 5A and 4A (Android ARM, Touchscreen):

Charbax wrote:
Archos 5A OLED 500GB: $500 - Android - 500GB - HSDPA - 4.8" OLED
Archos 5A 500GB: $400 - Android - 500GB - HSDPA - 4.8" LCD
Archos 5A 160GB: $300 - Android - 160GB 1.8" - HSDPA - 4.8" LCD - 10mm thin
Archos 5A 32GB: $250 - Android - 32GB flash+SDHC - HSDPA - 4.8" LCD - 10mm thin
Archos 4A 160GB: $250 - Android - 160GB 1.8" - HSDPA - 4.3" LCD
Archos 4A 16GB: $150 - Android - 16GB flash+SDHC - HSDPA - 4.3" LCD


As I previously suggested, the Archos 5A OLED, 5A, 4A and 7AT should all come with following Android centric hardware features:

Charbax wrote:
- Built-in GPS
- Electronic compass
- Bluetooth
- Tilt detector and accelerometer
- Capacitative touchscreen
- Full standby for VOIP and IM
- Built-in 720p video camera
- OpenGL 3D graphics accelerator
- 720p H264 high profile playback
- 720p streaming on Youtube HD
- Trick to support 4GB+ mkvs
- Mpeg2 HD DVB support


The Archos 5A OLED, 5A, 4A and 7AT should have following add-on hardware features at following prices:

Charbax wrote:
- E-Ink Dock with stylus input = $150
- DVB-SH Dock = $50
- USB DVB-T Tuner drivers = Free in firmware, Mpeg2 plugin required
- Bluetooth microphone = $40, perfect for video camcorder mode
- Bluetooth headset = $80 or whatever is available on the market
- Bluetooth foldable keyboard = $50 and whatever is available on the market
- Bluetooth remote = $30
- Bluetooth mouse = $20 and whatever is available on the market
- Bluetooth wrist-watch = $150 with beautiful 1.8" OLED touchscreen, Android notifications and other remote control features
- Bluetooth headphones = $30 or whatever is available on the market
- Gamepad Dock and emulators = $30 or free included with first 6 months unlimited legal NES/SNES/N64/Dreamcast/Gameboy gaming emulation at $5 per month


Of course those on top of existing and impressive new add-ons (again, the new add-ons are for now just from my imagination):
Mini Dock = $20
FM Remote = $20
Battery Dock = $30
DVR Dock Gen6 = $50
DVR Dock Gen7: 8GB+SDHC+NTFS/FAT32 hard drives and NAS recording storage support, Android ARM, 4xUSB-host, Ethernet = $100
DVB-T Dock = $50
DVR Travel Dock = $40
Headmounted Camera = $100
GPS In-Car Dock Gen7: uses GPS in Gen7 device and downloads Google Maps and Android GPS features in realtime over HSDPA = $30
GPS In-Car Dock Gen6 = $50
All codec/plugins pack = $25 (eventually enable per-codec unlock at $5 per codec Mpeg2/AC3/H264/AAC/HD)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:54 pm 
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Archos 12A: 11.6", Android ARM = $300
Archos 12I: 11.6", Intel Windows = $400

So the line of Archos Android Laptops might look like this:

Archos 7A ($150), 9A ($200), 10A ($250), 12A ($300), thus that would be placing Archos as the best laptop value manufacturer in the world.

Those Archos Android laptops should use the Texas Instruments OMAP3 processor, with DSP acceleration of video playback available. And if possible, analog connectors on the back for video/audio inputs/outputs and a built-in HDMI connector as well.

If possible, all Android laptops should include the HSDPA sim card compartment, otherwise for $50 extra and the addition of the letter H in the name. The best solution would be that they all come with a built-in module connector, perhaps an express card expansion slot, or two internal USB-host ports (for addition of internal HSDPA USB modems). And would be really cool if all comes with internal empty compartment for a 2.5" SATA hard drive. This way, all the line of Archos Android laptops would be extendable and upgradable in themselves without the need to diversify the lines further for HSDPA and more storage. Those features which can as well be included in package deals.

Future versions of these devices could thus simply add 2 or another number at the end of the name. For example Archos 5A2, Archos 7A2, Archos 10A2, Archos 9A2 or Archos 9ICM2, Archos 4A3 (third generation 4" Archos Android touchscreen device) and so on..


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:06 am 
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I think the FM remote is dated (I don't like Apple's FM remote either). Just incorporate it into the hardware so we we can dock and listen to FM if we want.
Dump the battery dock and use a large capacity battery at the start or, at the very least, incorporate a battery dock seamlessly into the design. I think the present battery dock for the 5 is just plain ugly and looks like an afterthought.

Actually I don't want any add-ons. Just put everything into the unit. As I had posted earlier, if I'm buying the Ferrari of devices I don't cables and odd shaped attachments hanging off it. It just makes the device ugly and unwieldy. Will it make the device bigger? Who's to say? Consider it an engineering challenge, we are, after all, buying a Ferrari.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:43 pm 
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Built-in FM probably interferes with WiFi, HSDPA, Bluetooth, sound quality and other electronics. So there is a reason to put the FM receiver on the cable of the FM Remote. They can just make the FM Remote cheaper, like below $20 or something like that.

You can't build the extra battery inside the main unit. The external battery is all about enabling people who want it to extend the battery life of their device by adding the second battery to the bottom of the unit. I do think though they should make a Battery Dock Gen7 which can charge the unit while powering it, thus letting people plug in the Battery Dock to continue using the unit when the internal battery is nearly empty and not to have to plug the Battery Dock early to have the most usage out of it.

Archos could certainly provide built-in charger connector, but not if that increases complexity and cost of the main device. So using a Dock works just fine. People would have to carry around their Archos chargers anyways. Having a standard mini usb connector on the bottom of it next to the proprietary connector (like on Archos 704, 705 and Archos 7) might though be very useful and meaningful. If you want all options pre-installed, just like with a Ferrari, just pay for them. I don't think it makes sense to include all inputs and outputs on the basic device, perhaps eventually include mini-HDMI on the side but the mini proprietary connector of Gen3 and previous is not necessarily better than the new Mini/Battery/DVR Travel/DVR Station Docks system.

I think Archos should release a PC Dock for Charging, 4xUSB host connectors (basically like a USB hub), audio input and output (with pass-through for existing PC speakers) for like $30 or less. And also a charge only Dock for like $10 to use for example on the bedroom table.

So something like these options:

Archos TV A+: 8GB, Android ARM, 4xUSB-host, 2xSDHC card readers, NTFS/FAT32/NAS recording storage = $100
DVR Station Gen6 = $50
TV Station HD: tv-out, HDMI connector and USB host only = $30
TV Station SD: tv-out composite and USB host only = $20
PC Dock: 4xUSB-host, VGA/DVI/HDMI outputs, audio input/output mini-jacks and pass through for existing PC speakers = $30
Charge Dock: charging and USB host only = $10


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:59 pm 
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There are laws which regulate the possible interference between FM, Wifi, HSDPA, etc.


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Archos 5A: 4.8", Android ARM, Touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $250

seems like a win for me, especially if they can use that new oled screen that samsung is coming out with. http://www.oled-display.net/samsung-5-i ... 09-or-2010

weather they use, arm, omap, snapdragon, tegra it doesn't matter to me as long as it's able to play hd files and can handle web 2.0 sites on the browser without making the device cry. throw in a real version of flash and it's full of win.


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thanks for your idea :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:41 pm 
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So I guess after the official Archos event of the 11th of June, now it's time for me to update this page with some of the officially announced products and see how much I got right in the beginning of this thread. In bold, the ones that I called:

Confirmed products:

Quote:
Archos 2: 1.8", basic mp3 player function, no touchscreen, 8GB = $50


Archos 2 vision: 1.8", basic mp3 player function, no touchscreen, 8GB = $60

Archos 3 vision: 3", basic mp3, photo and video player function, touchscreen, 8GB = $100

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Archos 4: 4.3", basic PMP functions, no touchscreen, 16GB = $100, 32GB = $150


Archos 4 vision: 4", basic PMP, (touchscreen?), (how many GB?) = ~ $100 (priced probably slightly higher)

Archos 7 vision: 7", basic PMP, (touchscreen?), (how many GB?) = ~ $100 (priced probably slightly higher)

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Archos 9IT: 8.9", Intel Windows, Touchscreen (tablet) = $400


Archos 9 pctablet: 8.9", Intel Menlow Z515, Windows7, Touchscreen (tablet), 120GB, 1GB, Bluetooth = $450 (HSDPA and DVB-T options)

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Archos 9ICM: 8.9", Intel Windows, Education Classmate PC, no touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $300


Archos 9 classmate: 8.9", Intel Windows XP, Education Classmate PC, no touchscreen, (storage?) = $380

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Archos 10: (current Archos 10 using Intel Windows) = $300
Archos 10S: (upcoming Archos 10S using Intel Windows) = $450


Archos 10, Intel WindowsXP, 160GB, 1GB RAM, 3-cells = $299

Archos 10 Ubuntu, Ubuntu Linux, 500GB, 2GB RAM, 6-cells = $375

Archos 10S minipc: Intel WindowsXP/7, 160GB, 1GB RAM, 6-cells = $399

Archos 13 Laptop: Intel CULV, Windows7, 160GB, 2GB RAM, 10-cells = $800


This leaves us with all the unanounced yet Android products. I still expect to see following:

Archos 4A 16GB: Android - 16GB+SDHC - 4.3" touchscreen LCD - HSDPA+WiFi+BT = $150 (10mm thin)
Archos 4A 160GB: Android - 160GB 1.8" - 4.3" touchscreen LCD - HSDPA+WiFi+BT = $250 (10mm thin)

Archos 5A 16GB: Android - 16GB+SDHC - 4.8" touchscreen LCD - HSDPA+WiFi+BT = $200 (10mm thin)
Archos 5A 160GB: Android - 160GB 1.8" - 4.8" touchscreen LCD - HSDPA+WiFi+BT = $300 (10mm thin)
Archos 5A 500GB: Android - 500GB 2.5" - 4.8" touchscreen LCD - HSDPA+WiFi+BT = $400

Archos 7A Tablet 16GB: 7", Android ARM, Touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $200
Archos 7A 8GB: 7", Android ARM, Laptop form factor, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $100
Archos 7A 500GB: 7", Android ARM, Laptop form factor, no touchscreen, 500GB 2.5" = $200

Archos 9A Tablet 16GB: 8.9", Android ARM, Touchscreen (tablet), 16GB Flash = $250
Archos 9A 8GB: 8.9", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $150
Archos 9A 500GB: 8.9", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 500GB 2.5" = $250

Archos 10A 8GB: 10.2" (if possible the 3Qi screen), Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $200
Archos 10A 500GB: 10.2" (if possible the 3Qi screen), Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 500GB 2.5" = $300

Archos 13A 8GB: 13.3", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $300
Archos 13A 500GB: 13.3", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 500GB 2.5" = $400

New idea, Android ARM laptop form factors should perhaps come with a multi-boot into Ubuntu as well by default or it should just be easy for end consumers to add Ubuntu 9.10 as a second boot in dual-boot mode. Simply to dump some Ubuntu 9.10 installation files at some specific place, click on some settings in Android and dual-booting should be activated.

Again, to be ultimately very very optimized products, I think following products should all have an empty 2.5" hard drive slot for users to add any 2.5" hard drive for storage expansion later if they want. Thus the 500GB versions of each of these are exactly the same just with a 500GB hard drive pre-installed for a $100 premium on the price. They should also come with some internal USB host ports (not only external USB host ports) to thus be able to connect a HSDPA USB dongle directly inside of the laptop. A SDHC card slot on the side as well for memory expansion as well. Those Archos Android laptops, if made correctly, will be the worlds most popular laptops and the best laptops ever made:
Archos 7A 8GB: 7", Android ARM, Laptop form factor, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $100
Archos 9A 8GB: 8.9", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $150
Archos 10A 8GB: 10.2", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $200
(if possible the Archos 10A should come with the 3Qi screen and a central swivel to use as an E-reader)
Archos 13A 8GB: 13.3", Android ARM, Laptop only, no touchscreen, 8GB Flash = $300


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:20 pm 
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Charbax wrote:
Archos 5A: 4.8", Android ARM, Touchscreen, 16GB Flash = $250
Archos 5A OLED: 4.8" OLED, Android ARM, Touchscreen, 500GB = $500


Archos 5 + Android + OLED screen... *froths at the mouth*

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Charbax - do you know release date for Archos 5A (160 GB) ? :0 ?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:31 pm 
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k000 wrote:
Charbax - do you know release date for Archos 5A (160 GB) ? :0 ?


Archos has officially said that they will release the Android devices in September and show them right before release on the 15th of September or something like that if the specifications informations and pictures do not leak out officially or unofficially before then.

I think this is because the Archos Android products are so fantastically awesome that they prefer to keep them secret just until right before the release so that competitors don't have time to copy them, and also so that Archos does not compete against their own Archos 5, Archos 7 and Archos 5G products that still have a certain amount of stocks that are selling on the market.

k000 wrote:
Charbax - do you know release date for Archos 5A (160 GB) ? :0 ?


Also, I would like to point out that this thread is full of my speculations mostly. All of my speculations are based on the official informations that have been released officially in press releases since February http://archosfans.com/2009/02/09/archos-uses-android/ and at the keynote event which anyone can see dubbed in English at http://archosfans.com/2009/06/19/full-o ... n-english/ and also based on logical thinking of what I think that the available technologies and components are on the market and looking at the announced features of Android which I am just speculating that Archos will implement many of them directly into the next generation devices (Bluetooth, A-GPS (HSDPA or HSUPA based GPS), Electronic compass, accelerometers, 720p camcorder, OpenGL 3D acceleration and more)...


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Charbax wrote:
Built-in FM probably interferes with WiFi, HSDPA, Bluetooth, sound quality and other electronics. So there is a reason to put the FM receiver on the cable of the FM Remote.


The Zune has built-in FM and WiFi.


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"We believe in the future, and we are convinced that the future is about High-End Android devices."

So is that Archos finally saying, in not so many words, that they are officially giving up on us Archos 5 users? Meaning no more firmware updates, even poorer customer support than now, etc.


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"3. OpenGL accelerator
ARCHOS tablets are natively embedding OpenGL libraries. That means that 3D animated application can be developed and opened directly in an OpenGL window on the ARCHOS 5 Internet Tablet. You want to create a 3D maps to play on an ARCHOS? You can. Browse the Audio library is a complete new way? You can. Provide an animated game leveraging the accelerometer capabilities? You can.

ARCHOS is currently using Software accelerator; the hardware accelerator capabilities will follow very soon after product launch. So you can start today, your apps will use the full power in october.


What do I have to do?
In order for you to develop Applications matching those guidelines, you need work on the 1.5 Cupcake version of the Android SDK. Download it Below.


You will also need to configure the Android emulator in order to run special avd, with the right skin. You can download an ARCHOS-made skin matching the requirements we mentioned. You will need to place this Skin folder in the [Android/platforms/ android-1.5/skins] wherever you put the ANDROID SDK folder."


Hey Charbax, is this something we can use on the Archos 5's now? Such as on my Archos 5 160? Sorry if that's a dumb question. Just wondering what exactly it would do for us users if it actually is something we can use too. After all, it did say "Archos 5 Internet Tablet." Thanks.


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I think the Archos High-End Android might have Texas Instruments OMAP3440 with OpenGL 3D capabilities and the Archos 5 has only the previous generation OMAP3430 that does not include hardware 3D acceleration.


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according to this: http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/gadget-n ... ets-a-date the android 500 GB model is supposed to be £470 or roughly $750. Maybe you'll be able to sign a contract with your cell phone company and get a discount, but I bet it won't be $400-$500 dollars if you don't.


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I hope that's not around $750 in the states; I'd guarantee it won't sell at all for that price here.


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angelmoroni wrote:
according to this: http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/gadget-n ... ets-a-date the android 500 GB model is supposed to be £470 or roughly $750. Maybe you'll be able to sign a contract with your cell phone company and get a discount, but I bet it won't be $400-$500 dollars if you don't.


I don't think that site knows what they are talking about, no way it's £470 unlocked.

Archos 5 (250GB) is $249 unlocked. Add HSDPA and include a more optimized hard drive capacity (500GB 2.5" costs $80 on the market less than 2x more than the 250GB).

Thus I expect Archos can sell the Archos High-End Android with 500GB and unlocked HSDPA for less than $400, even perhaps $350 on the mass market.


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Sure hope so....


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