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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:06 am 
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Archos had an investors event in Paris today, they showed a teaser video for the next generation Archos G10 xs series:

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The keyboard dock magnetic screen protector is awesome. But I'd like them to use the kick-stand and attach the thin keyboard dock like a Laptop in a way there's a mouse pad that can be used. Archos has always innovated using Kick-stands, I hope they continue and I think using the kick-stand is the best way to make the thinnest, coolest ARM Powered Tablet/Laptop convertible. If possible the kick-stand angle can be adjustable. If you're in an airplane and the space is limited, you don't need to use the kick-stand, the tablet can rest against the seat that is in front of you. I think the keyboard should also fit behind the tablet when the keyboard does not need to be used. Preferably in a way so that the kick-stand can also still be used even when the keyboard dock is magnetically fixed behind the tablet.

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Archos claims to have technology that makes G10 the thinnest tablet on the market. Something about patented paper-thin steel assembly technology. Archos has always been good at fitting huge battery capacity in extremely thin designs. I hope that Archos manages to make a deal with Pixel Qi and use the 10.1" 1280x800 sunlight readable screen on this one. That'd provide for 20+ hours of battery life, sunlight readability, Kindle Reader competitiveness for reading and use for education and work, and it'd use much less power thus enabling a form factor and weight in the ultra-light class of 400-something grams for a 10" tablet. Perhaps best to use Neonode's IR touch technology instead of capacitive for least reflections and best readability.

For the processor on Archos G10, I think that one can expect either the OMAP4470 1.8Ghz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 with SGX544 graphics or even the OMAP5430 which can also run upwards 1.8Ghz or more. It depends if Archos plans to release the G10 mid-year or by the end of the year.

I don't know if Archos will continue to sell that 3G Stick solution in G10. Maybe there is a way to allow for a modem module of any of the 3G/4G/LTE types to be manually added by the user, under full warranty, in some slot on the back of the device without it having to be through a USB host port. Maybe the multi-mode wireless modems are now so cheap, can even be included on the same CPU dye, that maybe they just included it by default even on the cheapest G10 tablet and provide just an unlocked SIM card slot on the side.

Archos did mention making one Windows 8 on ARM based Tablet/Laptop convertible by the end of the year. I hope they make sure to make it dual-boot the latest and greatest Android also.

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Archos Elements brings Google Certified tablets at as low as 100Ôé¼/$100. My guess is that Archos Elements brings the Rockchip RK30 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 performance and higher capacitive screen resolutions than Arnova at extremely competitive pricing.

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The new Arnova with Ice Cream Sandwich are going to be sold for as little as 50Ôé¼/$50 at retail price!! My guess is 50Ôé¼/$50 is the 7" WVGA Dual-touch or single-touch resistive type with an RK2918 512MB RAM and Ice Cream Sandwich. It goes up to 150Ôé¼/$150 retail price for what I think is probably the 9.7" IPS capacitive RK2918 1GB RAM and Ice Cream Sandwich tablet. Basically with the new upcoming Arnova G3/G4 you get $49 basic alternative to the Kindle Fire and a $149 better-than-iPad1 tablet. Those are amazing low-priced targets for mass consumer retail Ice Cream Sandwich tablet pricing.

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Archos is the top Android tablet seller in the major European markets, about equal to Samsung, in front of Asus, Acer, Motorola, Dell, LG, Toshiba and others. Archos CEO Henri Crohas sees a great opportunity to expand that lead with his company. Archos has announced a 32.9 Million Ôé¼ profit margin for 2011 on a yearly revenue of 171.4 Million Ôé¼. They have announced an agreement to borrow upwards tens of millions of Euros more from one of the leading French banks Societe Generale (in exchange for stock guarantees) which Archos can use to further accelerate the mass production and mass distribution of their tablet series in the coming months.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:19 am 
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Archos has always innovated using Kick-stands, I hope they continue and I think using the kick-stand is the best way to make the thinnest, coolest ARM Powered Tablet/Laptop convertible. If possible the kick-stand angle can be adjustable.


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Archos should make low cost Android smartphones along with making tablets because there are so many options for low cost tablets and because many people just don't want tablets.


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elitistlinuxuser wrote:
Archos should make low cost Android smartphones along with making tablets because there are so many options for low cost tablets and because many people just don't want tablets.


Yup Archos can release an MT6575 Single-core ARM Cortex-A9 ICS based 4.3" qHD phone for $149 and 5" qHD for $169, unlocked, dual-sim HSPA+/EDGE. That'd be good.


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Charbax wrote:
elitistlinuxuser wrote:
Archos should make low cost Android smartphones along with making tablets because there are so many options for low cost tablets and because many people just don't want tablets.


Yup Archos can release an MT6575 Single-core ARM Cortex-A9 ICS based 4.3" qHD phone for $149 and 5" qHD for $169, unlocked, dual-sim HSPA+/EDGE. That'd be good.


I think Archos could dominate this product category if they sold their products unlocked and sold versions of it on prepaid carriers. People would no longer have to buy those incredibly overpriced Samsung and HTC Phones. I think Archos could have two sets of Phone products one with the Arnova brand name reference design Mediateck and Rockchip processors and use the Archos brand for TI Omap Archos design products.


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Archos have been stung before, when trying to enter the smartphone market - they'd have to think long and hard before investing money in another try.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:07 am 
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Archos have been stung before, when trying to enter the smartphone market - they'd have to think long and hard before investing money in another try.


It doesn't have to be expensive. They can find a good MT6575 qHD design, optimize the design of it a bit, and simply brand it Archos or Arnova, piece of cake. All they have to do is to sell at least a few thousands for the smartphone to be profitable for them.

Getting a TI based design done might be more expensive. But getting a MediaTek MT6575 Single-core Cortex-A9 smartphone done should be a piece of cake.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:20 am 
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So, the smaller form factors got axed then?
I'm kind of semi-motivated to replace my somewhat aging A5IT, but the Galaxy Note and the Sony dual screen tablet are both ridiculously overpriced for that kind of toy, and don't offer the classic feature richness of Archos models.

I guess the margins on the small units were just too low for G8, and the A43 didn't sell quite well enough.
On the other hand, they even relaunched the A5, so they know there's a market there, and I'd gladly pay 80 G9 prices even if it only has a ~5 inch screen diagonal.

Oh well, it's not like my A5IT is quite dead yet...


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Charbax wrote:
Archos did mention making one Windows 8 on ARM based Tablet/Laptop convertible by the end of the year. I hope they make sure to make it dual-boot the latest and greatest Android also.

Very unlikely. Windows 8 hardware certification requirements forbid having a boot loader that can boot anything but Windows.


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Charbax wrote:
Archos did mention making one Windows 8 on ARM based Tablet/Laptop convertible by the end of the year. I hope they make sure to make it dual-boot the latest and greatest Android also.

Very unlikely. Windows 8 hardware certification requirements forbid having a boot loader that can boot anything but Windows.


I asked Steven Synofsky and Michael Anguilo (the top Microsoft Windows 8 guys featured in my video: http://armdevices.net/2012/02/29/window ... ighlights/ ) a couple weeks ago and they told me Android can be dual-booted as long as the manufacturer decides to make an official Android boot on the same secure booting system. It's not about Microsoft wanting to block competing OS, it's about providing secure boot which means "hackers" must not be able to install a fake Windows install with backdoors that snoop your passwords and such. That can't either be done if a secure Android also runs on the secure boot as a dual-boot.


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I guess the next obvious question is, When will these arrive?

I am interested in hearing the specs on the Element tablets. If this is done right, Archos could conquer the market with these tablets.

I would also like to see them use some of the design of the 70bIT and include front facing speakers. I also hope they don't use white cases.

I'm not sure what everything in this picture is, but the one on the Element banner at the very top looks interesting. Maybe the 70bIT replacement.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/wp-conten ... -large.jpg


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Thor20003 wrote:
I guess the next obvoious question is, When will these arrive?

I am interested in hearing the specs on the Element tablets. If this is done right, Archos could conquer the market with these tablets.


Here's my guess:

Arnova G3 next month with RK2918 1GB RAM ICS pre-installed. My video on RK2918 ICS http://armdevices.net/2012/01/19/rockch ... h-tablets/

Archos Elements 2-3 months from now with RK30 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 1GB RAM ICS pre-installed, 7" is 1024x600, 10.1" is 1280x800 I think. My video on Rockchip RK30 http://armdevices.net/2012/02/29/rockch ... announced/

Archos G10 could be released in Summer already if using 1.8Ghz OMAP4470 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 with SGX544 or could be released not before the end of the year if using 2Ghz OMAP5430 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 with SGX544. My video on OMAP4470 http://armdevices.net/2011/05/31/texas- ... rformance/ http://armdevices.net/2011/06/10/texas- ... n-october/ OMAP4470 for Windows 8 http://armdevices.net/2012/01/20/window ... a9-tablet/ My video on OMAP5430 http://armdevices.net/2012/02/27/texas- ... -omap5430/


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I'm not sure what everything in this picture is, but the one on the Element banner at the very top looks interesting. Maybe the 70bIT replacement.


It is definitely not a 7" one. It looks like an 10", but I have no idea why we would need two of them... May be it is 12"...

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Archos Elements 2-3 months from now with RK30 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 1GB RAM ICS pre-installed, 7" is 1024x600, 10.1" is 1280x800 I think.

Archos G10 could be released in Summer already if using 1.8Ghz OMAP4470 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 with SGX544 or could be released not before the end of the year if using 2Ghz OMAP5430 Dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 with SGX544


My guess is that Archos elements will feature Gen9s hardware, Arnova G3 will ship next month and that Gen10 xs will not have HDD option and will ship later this year with OMAP5.


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This is really good news, however, in 2-3 months the 7" Element will be competing with quad core devices with 1280x800 resolution.

If it looks like the current 70b IT, and does not have a white case, I would probably still buy the Archos.


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Don't expect it to ship before September.


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Don't expect it to ship before September.


If they use OMAP4470 with SGX544, it's ready now and I guess can ship as soon as June or something like that. There isn't a rule that Archos has to wait until the end of the year. I say they should do G10 with OMAP4470 now and do a G11 with OMAP5430 by the end of the year or early next year if OMAP5 isn't ready before the end of the year. That way, also Archos is most well prepared many months in advanced before the Christmas sales, so they don't risk again to have to have delays because of Texas Instruments not being able to ship the latest processor in large quantity.

OMAP4470 has been shown running Windows 8 also, so I'd say Archos should ask Microsoft to let them release a Windows 8 tablet in the summer already, and let them dual-boot Ice Cream Sandwich on it. For $30 cheaper it comes without Windows 8. The best would be that Windows 8 needs to be activated like an Archos plugin, for just $30 you can activate the Windows 8 on your Dual-booting Archos G10 xs tablet, to be released in June for $299 including the keyboard dock sounds good.


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Thor20003 wrote:
in 2-3 months the 7" Element will be competing with quad core devices with 1280x800 resolution.


7" Elements starts at $99, the Asus Quad-core has been announced starting at $249 (but it's possible Asus actually won't sell it cheaper than $349 claiming the low capacity isn't in stock, same Asus did announcing cheap prices but mostly only selling the higher capacity Transformer Prime with expensive Keyboard Docks and Netbooks).


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I read that the Asus Google tablet is rumored to start at the $199 price point.

Maybe I missed this but are hey going to have multiple 7" Elements or just one?

Is the Element based of the the newly released "Child Pad"? They look very similar.


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I agree future Archos tablets should have Pixel Qi. Archos should not release a next gen Archos tablet unless it has Pixel Qi & a higher resolution display, one that matches or passes the new Apple iPad or comes close.


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I agree future Archos tablets should have Pixel Qi. Archos should not release a next gen Archos tablet unless it has Pixel Qi & a higher resolution display, one that matches or passes the new Apple iPad or comes close.


Pixel Qi has something like a 5760x1200 resolution when in light-reflective readable mode. Something like that. The actual calculation is somewhere online. The resolution of Pixel Qi is extremely high for reading and outdoor use.

The main thing is to use Matte finish on capacitive and not glossy, to prevent reflections and also maybe using the Neonode IR multi-touch would be even better: http://armdevices.net/2012/02/28/neonod ... ress-2012/


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